Electromagnetic induction (finding ΔΦ).

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of electromagnetic induction, specifically focusing on calculating the change in magnetic flux (ΔΦ) and its relation to the induced electromotive force (EMF) in a coil when a magnet passes through it. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical expressions related to the phenomenon.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the understanding of the time spent by the magnet inside the coil, suggesting that it can be approximated by the expression ##\frac{d}{\sqrt{2gh}}##.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between the average rate of change of magnetic flux and the induced EMF, proposing that the average EMF can be expressed as ##\mathcal{E} = -N \frac{\Delta \Phi}{\Delta t}##.
  • The same participant argues that the total average EMF is zero due to symmetry, as the magnetic flux linked in the coil remains the same at the top and bottom positions of the magnet.
  • Concerns are raised about the acceleration of the magnet inside the coil affecting the shape of the graph of EMF versus time, indicating that it is not uniform despite the total integral being zero.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their previous calculations, indicating a lack of confidence in their estimations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to have differing views on the implications of the symmetry in magnetic flux and the behavior of the induced EMF, with no consensus reached on the overall understanding of the situation.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the symmetry of the magnetic flux and the behavior of the magnet that have not been fully explored or validated. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the calculations and their implications.

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I am unsure if I understand what you are doing. It seems ##\frac{d}{\sqrt{2gh}}## is approximately the time that the magnet spends inside the coil. You are also using $$\mathcal{E} = -N\frac{d\Phi}{dt}$$I suppose the average rate of change of flux in a time ##\Delta t## is ##\frac{\Delta \Phi}{\Delta t}##, from which it follows that the average EMF ##\mathcal{E} = -N \frac{\Delta \Phi}{\Delta t}##. So your construction ##\mathcal E = -N \frac{\Delta \Phi}{d}\sqrt{2gh}## is the time-averaged EMF inside the coil whilst the magnet is inside the coil. However this is zero, because ##\frac{1}{T} \int_0^T -N\frac{d\Phi}{dt} dt = 0##, since the flux linked in the coil is the same when the magnet is at the top of the coil as when it leaves (I assume necessary symmetry here :wink:).

Plus, the magnet actually still accelerates inside the coil, so a graph of ##\mathcal{E}## vs ##t## has an uneven shape (but still a total integral of 0).
 
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KarlsShwarzschild said:
I'm not too sure if I overestimated the prefix, guess we'll find out
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