Electromagnetic wave from an antenna

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An electromagnetic wave from a wire antenna strikes a paper at normal incidence, with a maximum magnetic field of 5.01E-8 T in the negative y-direction and a frequency of 2.86E6 Hz. The x-component of the associated electric field at time t = 0.0 s is calculated to be 15 V/m, and the magnitude of the Poynting vector is found to be 0.599 W/m². The discussion focuses on determining the y-component of the magnetic field at a later time (1.75×10^-7 s), with participants exploring the relationships between wave parameters using the equations for magnetic fields and angular frequency. Several calculations are shared, leading to confusion about the signs and values, but ultimately, it is clarified that the sine function's value at specific angles simplifies the problem. The final consensus indicates that the magnetic field at the given time can be derived directly from the established formulas without needing to calculate individual components separately.
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Homework Statement


An electromagnetic wave from a wire antenna travels (from the reader) toward the plane of the paper. At time t = 0.0 s it strikes the paper at normal incidence. At point O and t = 0.0 s, the magnetic field vector has its maximum value, 5.01E-8 T, pointing in the negative y-direction. The frequency of this wave is 2.86E6 Hz.

(i.) What is the x-component of the associated electric field E at time t = 0.0 s? (Use the right-hand rule to determine the direction of E, and hence the sign of the x-component.)
Answer is: 15 V/m

(ii.) What is the magnitude of the Poynting vector of the wave at time t = 0.0 s?
Answer is: .599 W/m^2

(iii.) What is the y component of the magnetic field at point O at time 1.75×10-7 s?
*HELP!


Homework Equations


B=B(max)*sin(kx-wt)


The Attempt at a Solution


Tried to kind x and k and w from equations like T=1/f
 
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Basically the question is saying at t = 0, B = B(max), thus sin(kx) = 1. So from this you can work out what x is at t = 0.

k is known as the wave vector and is related to the wavelength of a wave by:

k = 2 \pi /\lambda

where λ is the wavelength. Do you know how to get the wavelength of a wave from its frequency? Once you know that, you can work out k.

Also it might help if you knew that w = 2πf, where f is the frequency.
 
Well, so the angle whos sine is 1 would be pi/2, so at t=0, it starts at pi/2 ?
And for the wavelength i have \lambda= c/frequency

and i have \omega=2\pi*frequency


But, how do I figure out what x is at the time given? I heard something from students about finding the period and doing t/T ? I'm a little confused with that.
 
If sin(kx) = 1 at t=0, then kx = pi/2 at t=0. You can calculate k from the equation I gave you in the last post. Once you've got k, you've got x.
 
Okay, but that would just give x for t=0, right, don't I need it for the given time too ?
 
It doesn't actually matter what x is at point O, only the value of kx matters. If you read the question it says to find the magnetic component at the same point O (thus same kx) at a different time.

At t = 0, ωt was zero but at t = 1.75×10-7 s ωt is clearly not going to be zero. Find out what ωt is at this new time.
 
Okay, so kx would equal pi/2 again so technically you don't have to find out what k and x is individually right? \omega equals 17969909.97853 (2*pi*f). My final answer that I came out with is -1.3760938981E-9. Is this correct? I only have two more tries left and I don't want to waste it if it's not looking right. Should it be negative?
 
Okay, I got that as a wrong answer.. I tried it again..
I did B= B(max)*sin(kx-wt)

k at t=0, k= (2*pi*f)/c= 0.0598997
and since sin(kx)=1 [max], kx= pi/2 which makes x=26.22377622.

k at t=1.75E-7, k= (2*pi) / (c*(t/T))= 4.18461E-8

w at t= 1.75E-7 = (2*pi) / (t/T)= 12.5538168.

[t/T=0.5005= # of periods passed in the amount of time given]

so,

B= 5.01E-8*sin[(1.09736E-6)-(12.538168*1.75E-7)]
B=-9.61463001E-16 T

Is this right??
 
Can anyone tell me if this is right? I'm afraid to try it, only one try left !
 
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can anyone at least tell me if it definitely should be negative ?
 
  • #11
Would someone be able to check over my work for me and tell me if my answer should be right? I only have one more try ..
 
  • #12
nobody wants to tell me if I am close to being right ..?
 
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arl146 said:
Okay, so kx would equal pi/2 again so technically you don't have to find out what k and x is individually right? \omega equals 17969909.97853 (2*pi*f).

B=Bmaxsin(kx-ωt). At t = 0, B=-Bmax, so kx =-pi/2.
Recalculate B.


ehild
 
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okay so my final answer came out to be -2.88055 E-15 would that be right?
 
  • #15
Show how you got that result.

ehild
 
  • #16
Oh, I just did everything the same just a few changes... :

I did B= B(max)*sin(kx-wt)

At t=0 sec:
B=-B(max)
sin(kx)= -1 [max] ==> kx= -pi/2
x=-26.224 because k(t=0)= (2*pi*f)/c = 0.0598997

At t= 1.75E-7 sec:
k=(2*pi)/(c*(t/T)) = 4.18E-8
w= (2*pi)/(t/T) = 12.55
t/T = 0.5005

so,
B= 5.01E-8*sin[(-1.09736E-6)-(12.538168*1.75E-7)]
B= -2.88055 E-15 T
 
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B=Bmaxsin(kx-wt)

You do not need to calculate k and x separately as the formula contains kx (k multiplied by x). We already agreed that kx=-pi/2 at t=0 and at point O.

It is given that the frequency is f=2.86 E6 Hz. You need to calculate ωt (ω multiplied by t) at time t=1.75 E-7 s.
ω is the angular frequency. It is constant, characteristics of the wave, just like frequency. How is the angular frequency related to the frequency of any periodic motion? Check your notes or google "angular frequency". ehild
 
  • #18
thats what I thought but that other person was telling me to figure out what they were separately. And w= 2*pi*f , i know that. so just that times the given time right
 
  • #19
-2.38672E-08
so that's my actual answer then?
 
  • #20
which was from:

B=B(max) * sin[ (-pi/2)-(2*pi*2.86E6*1.75E-7) ]
 
  • #21
2*pi*2.86E6*1.75E-7=1.001 pi.
-pi/2-1.0001 pi =-3 pi/2.
How much is sin(-3 pi/2)? You do not even need to use a calculator. Figure it out from the unit circle definition of sine.

ehild
 
  • #22
isn't that just 1 ..
 
  • #23
so B just equals B(max) ??
 
  • #24
YES!

ehild
 
  • #25
YAY! Thanks :DDD I see what I was doing wrong in my last calculuation. I'll go try it now
 
  • #26
Okay, got it. Thanks again. I think way too much into this stuff!
 
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