Electromagnetic wave; the classical model

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The discussion centers around the nature of electromagnetic waves and the classical model. A key point raised is the apparent contradiction in how fields, which permeate space and weaken with distance, can travel as waves. It is clarified that electromagnetic waves are dynamic, not static, and consist of oscillating fields at each point in space as the wave propagates. The distinction between fields and waves is emphasized, noting that while fields do not travel, they can oscillate and create waves. The propagation of electromagnetic waves, such as optical fields, is explained as a continuous process where changes in the electric field generate corresponding magnetic fields, leading to the forward movement of the wave without losing strength in an ideal medium.
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Electromagnetic wave; the classical model...

There appears to me to be an obvious flaw in the classical version of electro magnetic waves (before we even consider quantum theory. :rolleyes: ) Forgive me if I'm wrong but surely fields cannot travel as waves - after all, a field permeates space, getting weaker with distance, so how exactly can these fields actually travel forward as a wave?

Thanks in advance. :smile:
 
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Maxwell's equations say they can. A static field permeates space and gets weaker with distance, yes, but electromagnetic waves are not static fields, they are dynamic (vary with time).

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The fields don't travel. At any position in space, the field (either electric or magnetic) simply oscillates as the wave goes past. A wave is just an excitation of the local electromagnetic field.
 
Fields and waves are different concept, but I supposed you're talking about optical field here? Then yeah, optical field from a point source, for instance, gets weaker with distance. But for field propagation in the form of plane wave, it doesn't get weaken as long as the medium is not lossy.
 
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Fields and waves are different concept, but I supposed you're talking about optical field here? Then yeah, optical field from a point source, for instance, gets weaker with distance. But for field propagation in the form of plane wave, it doesn't get weaken as long as the medium is not lossy.

Optic is just a particular cases of Electromagnetic .. so the thing you said appky to eletromagnetic too
 
the wave isn't "moving" its creating an electric and magnetic field infront of it self, its not moving its propagating, a change in electric field creates the magnetic field in front of it which is also changing, and then electric field is created in front of that...and so on..
 
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