[Electromagnetism] How much work is required in moving Q3 to infinity?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work required to move charge Q3 to infinity while charges Q1 and Q2 remain fixed. The relevant equations include work as the change in potential energy (W=ΔPE) and the potential energy formula (PE=kQ1Q2/r). Initial attempts to calculate the work resulted in confusion over whether to use initial or final potential energy values. Clarifications indicate that the correct approach is to calculate ΔPE as PEfinal minus PEinitial, with a consensus that a rounded answer of approximately -1.0 J is acceptable. The importance of significant figures in calculations is also emphasized to avoid clutter in the results.
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Homework Statement



How much work is required in moving Q3 to infinity while Q1 and Q2 remain in their positions?

Q3-------a-------|
|-----------------| b
Q1-------------Q2

a = 16.0 cm
b = 6.0 cm
Q1 = 5.70 μC
Q2 = -5.70 μC
Q3 = 1.8 μC

Homework Equations



W=ΔPE
PE=kQ1Q2/r

The Attempt at a Solution



Just added the potential energies associated with Q3 which is the work needed to move Q3 to infinity (i.e. bring said potential energies to 0).
kQ1Q3/r13 + kQ2Q3/r23
=(8.9875e9)(5.7e(-6))(1.80e(-6))/0.06 + (8.9875e9)(-5.7e(-6))(1.8e(-6))/sqrt(0.06^2 + 0.16^2)
=0.997 J

Also tried calculating ΔPE = final - initial (I think I messed up the formula, but somehow I got the negative of the first one)
(8.9875e9)(5.7e(-6))(-5.7e(-6))/.16 + 0.827790168702400828475759973771078927721678492943077184393)
= -0.997 J

Trying ΔPE again:
kQ1Q2/r12 - (kQ1Q3/r13 + kQ2Q3/r23 + kQ1Q2/r12)
=-kQ1Q3/r13 - kQ2Q3/r23
=-(8.9875e9)(5.7e(-6))(1.8e(-6))/0.06 - (8.9875e9)(-5.7e(-6))(1.8e(-6))/sqrt(0.06^2 + 0.16^2)
= -0.997 J

What am I supposed to do? Neither of these work.
 
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Sean1218 said:

Homework Equations



W=ΔPE
PE=kQ1Q2/r
Yes. And you realize ΔPE is PEfinal - PEinitial, right?

The Attempt at a Solution



Just added the potential energies associated with Q3 which is the work needed to move Q3 to infinity (i.e. bring said potential energies to 0).
No, the work needed is ΔPE, which is PEfinal - PEinitial.
kQ1Q3/r13 + kQ2Q3/r23
=(8.9875e9)(5.7e(-6))(1.80e(-6))/0.06 + (8.9875e9)(-5.7e(-6))(1.8e(-6))/sqrt(0.06^2 + 0.16^2)
=0.997 J
You have calculated PEinitial here. You want PEfinal-PEinitial.
Also tried calculating ΔPE = final - initial (I think I messed up the formula, but somehow I got the negative of the first one)
(8.9875e9)(5.7e(-6))(-5.7e(-6))/.16 + 0.827790168702400828475759973771078927721678492943077184393)
= -0.997 J

Trying ΔPE again:
kQ1Q2/r12 - (kQ1Q3/r13 + kQ2Q3/r23 + kQ1Q2/r12)
=-kQ1Q3/r13 - kQ2Q3/r23
=-(8.9875e9)(5.7e(-6))(1.8e(-6))/0.06 - (8.9875e9)(-5.7e(-6))(1.8e(-6))/sqrt(0.06^2 + 0.16^2)
= -0.997 J
What am I supposed to do? Neither of these work.
Your second answer (the negative one) looks correct to me. However if I use a rounded-off version of k, 8.99e9 N*m2/C2, then the answer rounds off to -0.998 J.

p.s. please don't report results, even intermediate calculations, to 50 significant figures. It just clutters up your work unnecessarily for people who are trying to follow your calculation.
 
Are you submitting this to a computer? I'm not sure how many significant digits your answer should have, but have you tried -1.0?
 
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