Electron magnetic replusion compared to coulomb attraction

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The discussion centers on the forces acting between two electrons placed 1 angstrom apart, specifically comparing the Coulomb attraction and magnetic repulsion. Participants express uncertainty about calculating the magnetic force and whether it can overcome the Coulomb force at such small distances. It is noted that the Coulomb force is generally much stronger than the magnetic force, especially at short ranges, where quantum mechanical effects dominate. The conversation also touches on the Pauli exclusion principle and its implications for electron behavior, emphasizing that while magnetic interactions exist, they are not sufficient to surpass electric forces in typical scenarios. Ultimately, the consensus leans toward the idea that the electric force will prevail over the magnetic force in the context of electron interactions.
  • #51
What about starting with an infinite line charge and using gauss's law to find the E field. E=\frac{\lambda}{2\pi r \epsilon_0} And then figure out what speed the line charges need to move to overcome the force from the E field. I=\lambda v lambda is your charge per lenght.
And then use amperes law to find the B field of the moving line charge.
B=\frac{\mu_0\lambda v}{2\pi r} B field is in the phi direction.
 
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  • #52
cragar said:
What about starting with an infinite line charge and using gauss's law to find the E field. And then figure out what speed the line charges need to move to overcome the force from the E field. I=\lambda v lambda is your charge per lenght.
And then use amperes law to find the B field of the moving line charge.
B=\frac{\mu_0\lambda v}{2\pi r}

Apparently this equation did not exist until 1998, so I guess the derivation is far from trivial. You would need circle instead of line. And since you need vectors instead of Gauss law you would have to use Biot-Savart law and Lorentz force equations, which in other words is Ampere's force law integrated over circle. That's how they did it anyway:

http://downloads.hindawi.com/archive/1998/079537.pdf
 
  • #53
I was thinking of the B field created from the motion of the electrons and not their intrinisic dipole moment. Gauss's law would give you a vector.
 
  • #54
This thread is rapidly filling with misinformation. Closed.

tris_d said:
"...the force of one magnetic dipole on another has not yet been derived in electromagnetism textbooks or the periodical literature."[/I]

Very interesting.

And that's grossly out of context. The authors are discussing a closed-form analytic expression, and by their own admission, what they come up with is an approximation.
 
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