Electron-positron bremsstrahlung

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electron-positron bremsstrahlung radiation, particularly in the context of their interactions when initially at rest and in close proximity. Participants explore both classical and quantum mechanical perspectives on radiation emission, the implications of varying distances between the particles, and the nature of photon emissions during annihilation processes.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that electron-positron pairs will radiate, but there is uncertainty about whether this should be classified as "bremsstrahlung" when they are close together.
  • It is proposed that classical treatment of radiation is only valid when the particles are far apart, with quantum electrodynamics (QED) required as their separation decreases.
  • Participants discuss the effects of initial rest distance on the total energy radiated during annihilation reactions, suggesting that different distances lead to different potential energies and thus different radiation outcomes.
  • Questions arise about the possibility of measuring radiation emitted totaling less than the combined rest mass energy of the electron and positron, particularly in the context of positronium states.
  • There is a debate regarding the nature of photon emissions in para-positronium decay, specifically whether photons are emitted simultaneously or sequentially, and how this relates to their energy values.
  • Participants express confusion over the concept of "emission duration" and its relevance to the detection of photons, with some arguing that it is not a meaningful concept.
  • Repeated inquiries about the relationship between photon wavelength, frequency, and emission duration lead to frustration among participants, with some feeling the discussion is circular.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on several key points, including the classification of radiation as bremsstrahlung, the treatment of photon emissions, and the concept of emission duration. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of terms like "bremsstrahlung" and "emission duration," as well as unresolved questions regarding the treatment of close particle interactions in classical versus quantum frameworks.

  • #31
i take the photon length (wavelength) in cycles per second (hz)... next i take the inverse... seconds per cycle... the inverse of cycles per second (seconds per cycle) is not the duration of emission?
 
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As you have been told many times, there is no such thing, repeating this many more times wouldn't help. I closed this thread.
 
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