Electrostatics - System of parallel plates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electrostatics of a system of parallel plates, specifically addressing why the facing surfaces of charged plates bear equal and opposite charges. Participants explore methods of proving this phenomenon, with references to Gauss' Law and the behavior of induced charges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the proof for why facing surfaces of parallel plates have equal and opposite charges.
  • One participant suggests that Gauss' Law is useful for proving this concept, while others express familiarity with the law.
  • Another participant describes a scenario with two parallel plates, detailing how charges distribute to maintain zero electric field inside the plates, leading to induced charges on the opposing plate.
  • There is a mention of the need for a general proof, with emphasis on the concept that charges are induced to terminate external electric field lines.
  • One participant raises concerns about the assumptions required for the proof, particularly regarding the influence of nearby charges and the size of the plates.
  • Another participant notes that if the electric field lines are straight, it results in zero flux, supporting the idea of equal and opposite charges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions necessary for proving the equal and opposite charges on parallel plates. While some agree on the role of induced charges and Gauss' Law, others highlight potential complications when considering point charges or the size of the plates.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the size of the plates and the influence of external charges, which may affect the validity of the proof in certain configurations.

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For a system of 'n' parallel plates(metal plates) bearing charges q1, q2,... qn ; why it is so that the facing surfaces of the plates bear equal and opposite charges ?

How do we prove that ?
 
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Gauss' law is very useful for that purpose. Are you familiar with that law already, or do you need an answer without making use of Gauss'law ?
 
yes I know Gauss' Law

but can we prove it
 
Shreyas Samudra said:
yes I know Gauss' Law

but can we prove it
If you have two parallel plates A and B and you put a charge of +10μC on A, it will be distributed on A as +5μC on one surface and +5μC on the other(to make the electric field inside plate A zero). The surface of plate B facing the surface of plate A will have an induced charge of -5μC(and the other surface of plate B will have charge +5μC). This charge is induced in order to terminate the electric field lines from plate A and make the electric field inside plate B zero.
 
cnh1995 said:
If you have two parallel plates A and B and you put a charge of +10μC on A, it will be distributed on A as +5μC on one surface and +5μC on the other(to make the electric field inside plate A zero). The surface of plate B facing the surface of plate A will have an induced charge of -5μC(and the other surface of plate B will have charge +5μC). This charge is induced in order to terminate the electric field lines from plate A and make the electric field inside plate B zero.

general proof ?
 
Shreyas Samudra said:
general proof ?
Basically, charges are induced on metal plates in order to terminate the external electric field lines and keep electric field inside the plates 0. If the plates are close enough (like in case of capacitors), the charges induced will be "equal and opposite" since the electric field between them is of a constant magnitude σ/2ε.
That's all I can say without jumping into math.
 
Shreyas Samudra said:
yes I know Gauss' Law

but can we prove it
Yes. Give it a shot! Where would you locate the Gaussian surface ?
 
So what would be the flux through the dashed surface ?
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yes
thank u
 
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Good that you are happy -- looking at this I start to develop challenging thoughts, however: some tacit assumptions are required to make this provable. In particular: the field from q1 should not influence the situation between q2 and q3. In other words: the plates should be big enough. In that case you get an equivalent of four capacitors in series.
But if q1 is almost a point charge (a little square in the drawing), my bet is that you can't prove it anymore.
 
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yep

we know that the electric field lines are straight , producing zero flux , so that should equal q/ε = 0
hence equal and opposite charges !
 

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