EM field of dipole derivation from Green's function

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the electric field generated by a dipole using a Green's function approach. Participants explore theoretical aspects and seek clarification on the mathematical relationships involved in this derivation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Krindik presents an expression for the electric field of a dipole and requests assistance in deriving it from a Green's function perspective.
  • Some participants suggest references, including Jackson's "Classical Electrodynamics" and Chew's "Waves and Fields in Inhomogeneous Media," for understanding the dyadic Green's function derivation.
  • Krindik proposes a relationship between the electric field and the dyadic Green's function, expressing it in terms of the scalar Green's function and the wave number.
  • A later reply indicates that the integration of the Green's function over the source currents is a necessary step, but acknowledges that the current source for a dipole can simplify this process.
  • There is mention of the equivalence of the derived expressions and the need for further work to establish this connection, with differing familiarity with the referenced texts noted among participants.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the derivation process, and while some points are clarified, no consensus is reached on the complete derivation or the specific equivalences between expressions.

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Some limitations are noted, such as the omission of the constant in the electric field expression and the potential complexity in relating different forms of the Green's function to the original expression provided by Krindik.

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Hi all,

I know that the electric field generated by a dipole is given by

\mathbf{E}= [1-i(\omega/c) r]\frac{3 (\mathbf{p}\cdot\mathbf{r})\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{p} }{r^3}+(\omega/c)^2\frac{\mathbf{p}-(\mathbf{p}\cdot\mathbf{r})\mathbf{r}}{r} e^{i(\omega/c)r}
where \mathbf{p} is the dipole's dipole moment proportional to e^{-i\omega t}.

I'm struggling to find out how this is derived from a Green's function approach. Can somebody help me with this or point me to somebook/reference that shows derivation?

Thanks in advance.

cheers,
Krindik
 
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Some references that deal with deriving the dyadic Green's function are Jackson's "Classical Electrodynamics" and Chew's "Waves and Fields in Inhomogeneous Media."
 
Hi,

Thanks for the response.
This is what I understood of its derivation. Hope u could clarify.

The electric field due to the dipole can be given by
\mathbf{E}(\mathbf{r}) = k^2 \mathbf{G}(\mathbf{r}, \mathbf{r}')\mathbf{p}(\mathbf{r'}) where \mathbf{G}(\mathbf{r}, \mathbf{r}') is the dyadic Green's functions for the dipole source, which is located at \mathbf{r}' and k is the wave number in the unbounded background.
\mathbf{G}(\mathbf{r}, \mathbf{r}') can be determined from the scalar Green's function G_0(\mathbf{r}, \mathbf{r}') by
\mathbf{G} = \left[\mathbf{I} + \frac{1}{k^2}\nabla \nabla \right]G_0(\mathbf{r}, \mathbf{r}') where \mathbf{I} is the unit dyad, and G_0 = \displaystyle\frac{e^{ik|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'|}}{|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'|}.


Is this correct? Really appreciate your response.

cheers,
Krindik
 
krindik said:
Hi,

Thanks for the response.
This is what I understood of its derivation. Hope u could clarify.

The electric field due to the dipole can be given by
\mathbf{E}(\mathbf{r}) = k^2 \mathbf{G}(\mathbf{r}, \mathbf{r}')\mathbf{p}(\mathbf{r'}) where \mathbf{G}(\mathbf{r}, \mathbf{r}') is the dyadic Green's functions for the dipole source, which is located at \mathbf{r}' and k is the wave number in the unbounded background.
\mathbf{G}(\mathbf{r}, \mathbf{r}') can be determined from the scalar Green's function G_0(\mathbf{r}, \mathbf{r}') by
\mathbf{G} = \left[\mathbf{I} + \frac{1}{k^2}\nabla \nabla \right]G_0(\mathbf{r}, \mathbf{r}') where \mathbf{I} is the unit dyad, and G_0 = \displaystyle\frac{e^{ik|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'|}}{|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'|}.


Is this correct? Really appreciate your response.

cheers,
Krindik

Yep, that should be pretty much it. Actually you skipped the first step, the relationship between the electric field and the source currents is integrated over all space as
\mathbf{E}(\mathbf{r}) = C\int_V \overline{\mathbf{G}}(\mathbf{r},\mathbf{r}') \cdot \mathbf{J}(\mathbf{r}') d\mathbf{r}'
I can't remember what the constant C is off hand. But in the case of the dipole, the current source is a point source and so we can drop the integration. Relating the resulting expression to what you have in the OP is a different story. They should be equivalent but it probably would require some work to show that. Chew's text doesn't derive the expression you gave originally but it's a good resource about deriving the dyadic Green's function and his chapter 2 applies it to dipoles and dipoles in layered media. Jackson's would probably work with an expression more closely related to what you gave. It's just that I am much more familiar with Chew's and Kong's texts than say Jackson.
 
Thanks a lot Born2bwire, u were really helpful.
 

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