EM Waves & Forces: Does a Particle Feel Force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around whether a particle, particularly a charged particle, experiences a force when subjected to an electromagnetic (EM) wave. Participants explore the implications of EM waves on particle motion, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a particle in the path of an EM wave would experience a force, noting a lack of reference in textbooks regarding this phenomenon.
  • Another participant asserts that EM waves do cause particles to move, citing the operation of radio antennas as an example where radio waves induce movement in electrons.
  • A participant inquires if a charged particle in a ray of light would begin to accelerate, suggesting a direct relationship between light and particle motion.
  • Another participant agrees that the EM field of light can accelerate charges but seeks clarification on the phrase "kept in a ray of light."
  • One participant posits a scenario involving a silicon atom and photons, questioning whether collisions with photons would cause the atom to move, while expressing confusion over the implications of momentum conservation given that photons are massless.
  • A later reply clarifies that photons possess momentum despite being massless, indicating that conservation of momentum does not preclude the possibility of force imparted by photons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interaction between EM waves and particles, with some asserting that EM waves can cause motion while others raise questions about the underlying mechanics, particularly regarding momentum and energy transfer. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the equations of motion in the presence of both electric and magnetic fields, and there are unresolved questions regarding the implications of photon interactions with matter, particularly in terms of momentum and energy transfer.

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Would a particle kept in the path of an electromagnetic wave experience a force?
Both magnetic and electric field are present, so the equation of motion may be complex, but i have never seen my textbook refer to the the possibility of an em wave causing a charged particle to move.
 
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EM waves cause particles to move all the time. That's how a radio antenna works - the radio wave causes the electrons in the antenna to move, which produces a current, which is detected by the radio receiver.
 
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So if a charged particle is kept in a ray of light, would it begin to accelerate?
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "kept in a ray of light", but yes, the EM field of light can accelerate charges.
 
Well of course a light wave can accelerate a charged particle, an EM wave has the M part in it, which would affect a charged particle.

What I've always wondered is, if you had, say, an atom of silicon floating in space and a stream of photons came flying at it, a few photons would hit the silicon atom. Would these collisions cause the silicon atom to move?

I know a photon is massless, so conservation of momentum says no, but it also has a lot of energy attached to it (doesn't it?) so from E=mc^2, shouldn't it be able to impart some force?
 
The photon has momentum even though it's massless. So there is no contradiction. Conservation of momentum does not say "no".:smile:

But I think you should start a new topic, as you bring a different question.
 

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