EMF/internal resistance question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the terminal voltage of a 4.00-V battery in a circuit. The user initially calculated the current and voltage drop but received an error message from the mastering physics program, indicating potential rounding or significant figure issues. Clarification on the direction of current flow and potential difference was provided, emphasizing that the voltage drop across the internal resistance should be added to the battery's EMF due to the clockwise current direction. The user ultimately found the explanation helpful and acknowledged a need for deeper understanding rather than just formula application. The conversation highlights the importance of considering circuit dynamics in voltage calculations.
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Homework Statement


http://session.masteringphysics.com/problemAsset/1042319/4/YF-25-68.jpg"

Above is a picture of the circuit!
The question is: "What is the terminal voltage of the 4.00-V battery?"

Homework Equations


I=V/R
V_ab = E - I*r


The Attempt at a Solution


So first, I calculated the current in the loop...
the voltage is 8v-4v = 4v
and the total resistance is...6+.5+9+.5+8 = 24 ohms
so I = V/R =4/24 = 1/6

from this...
V_ab = 4v - (1/6)*(.5) = 3.917v

however, the program I am using (masteringphysics) responded "Not quite. Check through your calculations; you may have made a rounding error or used the wrong number of significant figures" when I entered this in...
I have no idea where I'm going wrong because in a later question, I used the same method and got the right answer...help!
Thanks!
 
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you may have used the wrong number of significant figures
 
willem2 said:
you may have used the wrong number of significant figures

no...I double checked that
 
how many significant figures are there in 4.00 V
hom many in 3.917 V
 
willem2 said:
how many significant figures are there in 4.00 V
hom many in 3.917 V

I entered the value twice, once as 3.917 and the second time as 3.92...both times it had the same error message.
 
PennyGirl said:
I entered the value twice, once as 3.917 and the second time as 3.92...both times it had the same error message.

Sorry, I didn't see this at once. What is the direction of the current? And what is the direction
of the potential difference across the upper 0.50 ohm resistance?
 
the direction of the current is clockwise...but I'm not sure what you mean by the direction of the potential difference...the voltage is higher on the right side (in the picture) and lower on the left side...
 
PennyGirl said:
the direction of the current is clockwise...but I'm not sure what you mean by the direction of the potential difference...the voltage is higher on the right side (in the picture) and lower on the left side...

If the current goes clockwise, it will make the left side of the top 0.50 ohm resistance more positive to the right side. Therefore the potential difference has to be added to the 4.00V of the battery.

If the 8V voltage source is replaced by a wire the current would go in the other direction and the potential difference across the internal resistance of the top battery would have to be subtracted from the EMF of the battery, but it has to be added here.
 
willem2 said:
If the current goes clockwise, it will make the left side of the top 0.50 ohm resistance more positive to the right side. Therefore the potential difference has to be added to the 4.00V of the battery.

If the 8V voltage source is replaced by a wire the current would go in the other direction and the potential difference across the internal resistance of the top battery would have to be subtracted from the EMF of the battery, but it has to be added here.

Thanks a lot! that worked and it does make sense...I was just plugging numbers into the formulas that I have and not really thinking about the problem lol.
Thanks again!
 
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