EMI potential difference question

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of rotating motional electromotive force (emf) and the use of effective length for its calculation. Participants express confusion about why effective length can be applied despite varying velocities at different points. It is noted that while effective length simplifies the calculation, the problem can also be approached using calculus. A specific example from DC Pandey is referenced, and participants discuss proving that the shape of the object does not affect the emf calculation. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity in applying these concepts mathematically.
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This is not a homework.i am not able to understand rotating motional emf .so could u please tell why could we use the effective length to calculate emf in this case .
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Is that problem from H C Verma?
Mausam said:
so could u please tell why could we use the effective length to calculate emf in this case .
Maybe that is an easier approach, but not the only one. It can also be solved using the straightforward calculus method. Is the answer given?
 
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Please can anyone help me to prove that in this case the shape doesn't matter and hence effective length can be used to calculate motional emf
 
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cnh1995 said:
Is that problem from H C Verma?

Maybe that is an easier approach, but not the only one. It can also be solved using the straightforward calculus method. Is the answer given?
Thank you so much for your reply ,yes the answer is given, actually had a doubt that why can we use the effective length though the velocity of every point is different.i mean i am not able to prove that the shape doesn't matter ...so could u please help me prove it in this case ,i am able to prove it when there is no rotation. This is from DC PANDEY
I have attached the solution if it helps
 

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Mausam said:
Thank you so much for your reply ,yes the answer is given, actually had a doubt that why can we use the effective length though the velocity of every point is different.i mean i am not able to prove that the shape doesn't matter ...so could u please help me prove it in this case ,i am able to prove it when there is no rotation. This is from DC PANDEY
I have attached the solution if it helps
This effective length part can be proved using some calculus. Do you know how to set up a differential equation?
 
Could u please elaborate
 
cnh1995 said:
This effective length part can be proved using some calculus. Do you know how to set up a differential equation?
If possible can u please elaborate on it
And is there any simple explanation...
I do know to set up and solve differential equations
 
Mausam said:
Could u please elaborate
Consider the section OCA only. Here, you want to show that arc-length AC is effectively equal to the straight line distance AC. What is the emf induced in the straight line AC if length AC=l?
 
cnh1995 said:
Consider the section OCA only. Here, you want to show that arc-length AC is effectively equal to the straight line distance AC. What is the emf induced in the straight line AC if length AC=l?
It's half(B)(w)L²
 
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