Energy Carried by Electromagnetic Waves- why is it wrong?

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to the energy carried by electromagnetic waves, specifically focusing on a monochromatic light source emitting 110 W of power uniformly in all directions. Participants are tasked with calculating the average electric-field energy density, average magnetic-field energy density, and wave intensity at a distance of 3.00 m from the source.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate energy densities using various equations related to the Poynting vector and energy density formulas but expresses confusion over the correctness of their results.
  • Some participants question the interpretation of the problem statement regarding the nature of the emitted electromagnetic waves and the implications for calculations.
  • Others suggest alternative approaches, including simplifying the calculations based on power and the speed of light.
  • There is discussion about the equations provided in the textbook and their applicability to the problem at hand.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations and methods. Some have offered alternative calculations and insights into the potential issues with the original poster's approach. There is recognition of the need to clarify the equations and assumptions being used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equations provided in the textbook may not align with the problem's requirements, leading to confusion regarding the correct application of concepts. There is also mention of the original poster's uncertainty about the equations they are allowed to use.

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Energy Carried by Electromagnetic Waves- why is it wrong?

Hi! I have this homework problem that I just don't understand why it's wrong.

A monochromatic light source emits 110 W of electromagnetic power uniformly in all directions.

(a) Calculate the average electric-field energy density 3.00 m from the source.

(b) Calculate the average magnetic-field energy density at the same distance from the source.

(c) Find the wave intensity at this location.



First of all, I know that (a) and (b) will be the same. I have also calculate part (c), which is correct, and it is 0.9726 W/m^2.


I have used various equations that would work for this type of problems.

1. The Sav, or average Poynting vector, in terms of the magnetic and electric field. I always get the same answer, which is 6.4*10^-8. Then I use the energy density equation, which gives me 3*10^-9.

2. I use Sav=cu...since I have Sav, and I know c, then it seemed logical to use this. My answer is the same, 3*10^-9.

But its WRONG, and I don't understand WHY! PLEASE HELP ME.

Thankyou!
 
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First of all what does it mean that "A monochromatic light source emits 110 W of electromagnetic power uniformly in all directions."? I think it means that you have a source that radiates spherical waves and the average flux of the Poynting vectors through a spherical surface centered on the source is of 110W. In particular, taking the sphere to be of radius 3.00 m, this gives

110=<\oint_{\mathbb{S}_3} \vec{S}(\vec{r}=3\hat{r})\cdot\hat{n}dA >= <\int_0^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{\pi} ||\vec{E}(\vec{r}=3\hat{r})\times\vec{H}(\vec{r}=3\hat{r})|| 3^2 sin\theta d\phi d\theta >=36\pi <E(\vec{r}=3\hat{r})H(\vec{r}=3\hat{r})>

But in a monochromatic plane wave propagating in the void, H=E/\mu_0 c= so we have the equation

\frac{110\mu_0 c}{36\pi } =<E(\vec{r}=3\hat{r})^2>

Now you can substitute that into the formula for the average mean electric energy:

<u_E(\vec{r}=3\hat{r})>=\frac{\epsilon_0<E(\vec{r}=3\hat{r})^2>}{2} =\frac{110\epsilon_0\mu_0 c}{72\pi }=\frac{110}{72\pi c}\approx 1.62\times 10^{-9} [J/m^3]

What is the correct answer?

(I don't know what equations are given to you; if you write them I can help you sort out your problem using those equations)
 
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I took a bit more simplistic approach and just calculated the energy density from the rate of energy flowing through the surface (power) and the speed of light. Looks to me like the total energy density is

u = P/Ac = 3.24*10^-9 J/m³
 
Actually...the equations that are given in the book are very general, and none of them involve integrals.

I have used the third equatin below Poynting vector.



ph207-6-eqn15.GIF


And I also used Saverage/c=uaverage...but it's still wrong.
 
I just divided the 3.24 by 2, which gave me the answer.

The reason why I did not get it, I think, is because the book does not present it correctly.

The Smax equation in the picture above is actually given as Sav in my book, so that's why the answer was not correct.

Thank you so much!
 

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