Energy change of apparatus when gaws suddenly expands

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The discussion revolves around the energy change of a gas apparatus when gas expands suddenly in a vacuum. Participants explore the implications of this rapid expansion on energy calculations, particularly in the context of work done by the gas and the behavior of the piston involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the energy change can be calculated using the equation W = PΔV, but questions the validity of this approach due to the non-quasi-equilibrium nature of the expansion.
  • Another participant suggests that the process is likely adiabatic since it occurs in a vacuum, implying no heat exchange.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that because the expansion is against a vacuum, there should be no energy change, challenging the initial claim of work done.
  • One participant argues that the gas does work against the piston during expansion, converting energy into kinetic energy of the piston, which is lost when the piston strikes the latch, indicating that work can still be calculated despite the energy not being useful.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether energy change occurs during the gas expansion. Some argue that work is done, while others contend that there is no energy change due to the vacuum environment. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the assumptions regarding the nature of the expansion (adiabatic vs. isothermal) and the implications for energy change calculations. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the definitions of work and energy in this context.

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This discussion may be of interest to students studying thermodynamics, particularly those dealing with gas laws and energy transformations in mechanical systems.

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Energy change of apparatus when gas suddenly expands

Homework Statement


A gas is confined in a cylinder by a piston. The initial pressure of the gas is 7 bar(700kPa), and the volume is 0.10m^3. The piston is held in place by latches in the cylinder wall.The whole apparatus is placed in a total vacuum. What is the energy change of the apparatus if the restraining latches are removed so that the gas suddenly expands to double its initial volume, the piston striking other latches at the end of the process?

Data known:
P(initial) = 700kPa
V(initial) = 0.10m^3
V(final) = 0.2m^3

Homework Equations


Energy change = W = PΔV

The Attempt at a Solution


Since the gas suddenly expands (not a quasi-equilibrium process), the PV ln (V2/V1) equation cannot used. But still, my lecturer gave me zero. I want to know the right way to solve this problem. God bless you all.
 
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If it's surrounded by a vacuum and the expansion happens rapidly then yes the process is probably adiabatic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process

You didn't actually tell us what answer you gave or showed how you got it.
 
Thanks for the help. I'll confirm with my lecturer. I suggest since it's expansion against vacuum, there should be no energy change.
 
I'd assume that the gas is doing work against the (assume finite mass) piston during the expansion, so work done by the gas is converted into KE of the moving piston. This energy is lost with a thud when the piston hits the stop "latch", so no useful work is done, but you can still calculate the work done and the energy lost by the gas (for an adiabatic expansion).
 
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