Energy in circular path with spring

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of a mass attached to a spring when released from a specific point in a circular path. The potential energy of the spring and gravitational potential energy at point B are used to determine the velocity at point A. For the second part, the spring constant must be calculated to ensure the mass does not reach point C, which is at the same height as point B. The potential energy of the spring and the kinetic energy at point B are equated to find the necessary spring constant. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the geometry and energy conservation principles involved in the problem.
edowuks
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
We have a spring that has equilibrium at distance R. the spring is attached at horizontal distance R from circle (R is distance from edge of circle, distance from circles origo is 2R) that has radius R. Mass attached to spring can move freely in that circle path. In circle we have 3 points a=point where spring is at rest. B=at angle pi/2 C=opposite side of spring than the point a. (sorry I don't have picture and my english is bad).
A) calculate velocity at point a when spring is released from point b (at picture we have on paper we can see that at point b it has gravitational potential energy of mgR)
B) How hight should the spring constant be that mass never reachess point c

Ok I have banged my head to wall two days, I cannot figure what should I calculate here. Can I just calculate the A part by 'potential of spring'+mgR=½mv² (can potential of spring be calculated from length of pring-R). B-part I don't understand what should I calculate, but with my poor explanation I think no-one can give any hint?

I don't need anykind of solution just hint what I should be calculating, can't picture the problem in my head.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
edowuks said:
We have a spring that has equilibrium at distance R. the spring is attached at horizontal distance R from circle (R is distance from edge of circle, distance from circles origo is 2R) that has radius R. Mass attached to spring can move freely in that circle path. In circle we have 3 points a=point where spring is at rest. B=at angle pi/2 C=opposite side of spring than the point a. (sorry I don't have picture and my english is bad).
A) calculate velocity at point a when spring is released from point b (at picture we have on paper we can see that at point b it has gravitational potential energy of mgR)
B) How hight should the spring constant be that mass never reachess point c

Ok I have banged my head to wall two days, I cannot figure what should I calculate here. Can I just calculate the A part by 'potential of spring'+mgR=½mv² (can potential of spring be calculated from length of pring-R). B-part I don't understand what should I calculate, but with my poor explanation I think no-one can give any hint?

I don't need anykind of solution just hint what I should be calculating, can't picture the problem in my head.

The potential in your spring is = ½*k*Δx2 and as you point out that plus drop in height m*g*R will result in your ½*mv2.

Your Δx here can be found by ordinary geometry.

For part 2 you know the KE at b so for the mass to make it to c, which by your description is at the same level as b then there is no need to account for any change in potential energy, so ½*k*(2R)2 = the KE when it was at b.
 
Last edited:
I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'Collision of a bullet on a rod-string system: query'
In this question, I have a question. I am NOT trying to solve it, but it is just a conceptual question. Consider the point on the rod, which connects the string and the rod. My question: just before and after the collision, is ANGULAR momentum CONSERVED about this point? Lets call the point which connects the string and rod as P. Why am I asking this? : it is clear from the scenario that the point of concern, which connects the string and the rod, moves in a circular path due to the string...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...
Back
Top