Energy Stored in Elastic Bodies

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gravitational potential energy of a 2-kg block before it drops onto a spring, with a focus on the correct height to use for the potential energy calculation. The initial attempt calculated the potential energy as 14.715 J using only the height of 0.75 meters, but the correct value is 21.6 J, which accounts for the total height of 1.1 meters including the spring's compression. This discrepancy led to incorrect calculations for the block's speed upon contact with the spring. Participants debated the interpretation of the problem, particularly whether to include the spring's compression in the height for potential energy calculations. Clarifying this point is essential for accurately solving the problem.
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Homework Statement



A 2-kg block falls from rest a vertical distance of 0.75 meters above the top of a spring. The block lands on top of the spring compressing it 0.35 meters from its equlibrium position.


a) What is the gravitational potential energy of the 2-kg mass just before it is dropped above the spring?

b) Determine the speed of the mass at the instant the mass makes contact with the uncompressed spring.

c) Using the conservation of energy, calculate the spring's spring constant.

d) If you could place a 1-kg mass on the same spring and could push down compressing the spring 0.50 meters from its equlibrium position, how high would a 1-kg mass be fired vertically if you released the compressed spring?



Homework Equations



PE (Gravitational) = m*g*h
PE (Spring) = (1/2)*(spring constant)*(distance compressed)
KE = (1/2)(m)(v^2)



The Attempt at a Solution



I first tried to start part a by using my first equation.

I got:

PE = (2 kg)(9.81 m/s^2)(.75 m)
PE = 14.715 J

Now my instructor told me that the answer to this part was 21.6 J so I already got something wrong here.

Anyway, for part b:

I figured that the gravitational potential energy of the block before it was dropped (the answer to part a) was equal to the kinetic energy at the instant the mass makes contact with the uncompressed spring. Thus, PE (g) = KE.

14.715 J = (1/2)(2 kg)v^2
v=3.8 m/s.

My instructor said that the answer was 4.65 m/s. If I had used 21.6 J as the total KE, then I got that correct answer. So, therefore, my mistake must be somewhere in part a.

(I got parts c and d both correct but only when I utilized the 21.6 J that I was supposed to get in part a.)

Does anyone know how to get the 21.6 J for part a? Thanks. That's really the only issue in this problem.

Also, my instructor said that he did these answers by himself rather quickly, so there's a minor chance of a careless error he made. But I don't think that's the case.
 
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It seems that they are looking for the Total PE from the entire height the block falls including the compression of the spring.
 
Well I just plugged PE = (2 kg)(9.81 m/s^2)(x m)=21.6J and found that your professor 1.10m. Maybe that can help you?
 
Saladsamurai said:
It seems that they are looking for the Total PE from the entire height the block falls including the compression of the spring.

Oh, including the compression..that would change my value from 0.75 to 1.1...

fluidistic said:
Well I just plugged PE = (2 kg)(9.81 m/s^2)(x m)=21.6J and found that your professor 1.10m. Maybe that can help you?

Yeah, 1.1 would give out 21.6. But I'm not sure why to use 1.1 instead of 0.75 because the block is 0.75 m above the equlibrium point of the spring.
 
DMOC said:
Yeah, 1.1 would give out 21.6. But I'm not sure why to use 1.1 instead of 0.75 because the block is 0.75 m above the equlibrium point of the spring.

But the question does ask: "What is the gravitational potential energy of the 2-kg mass just before it is dropped above the spring with respect to the spring's equilibrium position"? does it?
 
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