Energy Work Problem, all algebra

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving a block sliding down a frictionless ramp and falling to the floor, with the goal of determining the release height (h) for the block to land in a specified hole. The user attempts to apply energy conservation principles but struggles to eliminate height (h) from their equations. They express frustration over the complexity of using energy methods compared to kinematics, which they previously found easier. Other participants suggest that while energy can provide the exit velocity from the ramp, standard kinematic equations will be necessary for the subsequent motion. The conversation highlights the challenge of integrating energy concepts with projectile motion in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement



A small block is placed at height h on a frictionless ramp inclined at an angle theta. Upon being released, the block slides down the ramp and then falls to the floor (a distance y below the base of the ramp). A small hole is located a horizontal distance x from the end of the ramp.

From what height, h , should the block be released in order to land in the hole? Note: that the unknowns for this problem are x, y, and theta. Your answer should be an algebraic expression that starts with h=


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I started out by using the fact that
mg(h+y)=(1/2)mv^2
working it out to
h= (v^2/2g)-Y

my issue is finding v^2, I know that (2gh)^1/2 is the final velocity for both mgh and mgy.. I need to eliminate the h somehow because it is on both sides, but I am unsure how to do so. I have used trig, but am having no luck. I already solved this problem once using kinematics, and found it to be much easier. Any help solving this with energy would be appreciated.
 
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enkerecz said:
… I already solved this problem once using kinematics, and found it to be much easier. Any help solving this with energy would be appreciated.

(how did you manage to solve this without using x ? :confused:)

I don't think energy will give you anything more than the velocity on leaving the ramp: after that, you will have to use the standard constant acceleration equations. :smile:
 
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