Engine lubricant temperature reduction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around strategies to reduce the lubricant temperature in a motorcycle engine. Participants explore various methods, including modifications to the oil system, changes in oil type, and additional cooling mechanisms. The scope includes practical engineering solutions and theoretical considerations related to lubrication and heat management.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests measuring temperatures with different oil viscosities, questioning how changing oil types might affect temperature.
  • Another proposes the introduction of an oil cooler as a straightforward solution to reduce temperature.
  • Adding cooling fins to the sump is mentioned as a way to increase surface area and enhance heat dissipation.
  • A participant raises the idea of drilling holes in the crankcase to improve oil flow, expressing uncertainty about its impact on oil pressure.
  • It is noted that increasing the oil capacity could help by allowing more oil to cool before circulating through the engine.
  • One participant shares a personal experience with a motorcycle that had a remote oil tank, suggesting that distance from heat sources may contribute to lower temperatures.
  • Another participant mentions a successful attempt to reduce temperature by increasing pressure at the crankpin outlet, though they are unclear about the underlying physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on how to effectively reduce lubricant temperature, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Suggestions range from changing oil types to physical modifications of the engine components.

Contextual Notes

Some suggestions depend on specific engine designs and configurations, and the effectiveness of proposed solutions may vary based on individual circumstances. There is also uncertainty regarding the impact of certain modifications on oil pressure and overall engine performance.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for motorcycle engineers, mechanics, and enthusiasts interested in engine lubrication and thermal management strategies.

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I need to reduce the lubricant temperature in a motorcycle engine.?
I've been allotted this project in a motorcycle company in India in which I need to reduce the average temperature to which a lubricating oil gets heated up, in an engine for one of their models. Now I did see the flow path of the lubricating oil - sump to a filter, filter to a gerotor pump, to the gallery - splitting up to the crankshaft (through a centrifugal filter) and to the cylinder head, after which it lubricates the piston, valvetrain, timing chain and drops into the sump back again. Now I don't have a clue of how to REDUCE the temperature to which it heats up. Here are some facts:

a) They recommend 10W30 for use as lube in that engine. So do I try measuring the temperatures with 20W50 or something? I've heard that higher the viscosity index after that W, higher is the high temperature performance, although I'm not so sure of how changing the oil would reduce the average temperature it gets heated up to.

b) Does introducing an oil restrictor have any effect?

c) Is it of any use trying to change the quantity of lubricating oil? 900 ml is the lube oil capacity of that engine, so what will happen if I pour 1000 ml of lubricating oil and perform that test?

d) Changing the oil pump. That does have an effect, but that's the only thing that I've tried so far and I need more ideas.

e) Changing the oil filter. Will that have any effect on the TEMPERATURE? If so, HOW?

I need to finish this project within a month and I absolutely haven't a clue of what and how to do this. PLEASE HELP!
 
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Two words: oil cooler.
 
oil cooler
 
Does the sump have cooling fins if not the addition of some might help, anything that increases the surface area of the sump will help. What about the air path over the sump is that restricted by anything, fairings or such?
 
er... will this have any effect: drilling holes in the crankcase so that oil that lubricates the valvetrain --> piston --> gearbox --> sump through holes already available, flows more freely(? I'm confused) into the sump? Will the oil pressure decrease?
 
You've got to take heat away from the oil. I assume that all of the parts mentioned are already receiving sufficient lubrication, otherwise you would have a lot of seized motorcycle engines laying around. Like Jobrag suggested, the fix could be as simple as adding fins to the sump. You need to get information on how much of a temperature reduction is required.
 
In addition to the good suggestions posted above I will add the following.

My old XT 600 had a remote oil tank that was placed away from the heat of the engine and exhaust. I am sure this helped.

It also had about 3.0l of oil - 5 times the cc of the engine.

I think increasing the oil capacity will help. The amount circulating around the hot parts of the engine is fixed for a given pumping rate. Increasing the the capacity will increase the amount of oil sitting in the sump and therefore the amount of time it has to loose heat before it gets sent around the hot parts again.
 
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Are they going to share the profits with those who help?
 
Csiddharthn
Did you manage to solve your problem?
 
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If sump have some fins type structure will be usefull or use oilcooler. Low viscosity oil good for less clearances like 10w30 .
 
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I did manage to reduce the temperature by increasing pressure at the crankpin outlet (enlarged that hole) although i have no clue of the physics that transpired!
 

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