Engineering combined with Medicine (M.D./Ph.D.)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of pursuing combined M.D./Ph.D. programs that integrate medicine and engineering, specifically focusing on biomedical engineering. Participants explore the availability of such programs, their competitiveness, and alternative pathways for students interested in both fields.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to find M.D./Ph.D. programs specifically in biomedical engineering, noting difficulty in locating such programs compared to those focused on biology.
  • Another participant suggests that many schools offer combined programs and provides links to resources that organize these programs by state, mentioning the competitiveness of admissions.
  • A participant explains that M.D./Ph.D. programs are generally aimed at training medical research scientists, primarily in biology-related fields, and highlights potential restrictions on the types of Ph.D. programs available.
  • It is proposed that finding a medical school with a biomedical engineering program may allow for a combined M.D./Ph.D. in engineering, but this would require convincing program directors of its viability.
  • An alternative pathway discussed involves completing a Ph.D. in engineering first, followed by medical school for an M.D., which some physicians have pursued after initially studying engineering or physics.
  • Another participant mentions Boston University as having a dedicated biomedical engineering department, suggesting it as a potential option for interested students.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the availability of M.D./Ph.D. programs in engineering, with some suggesting alternatives and others emphasizing the challenges in finding suitable programs.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the combined M.D./Ph.D. path typically requires a significant time commitment of 7-9 years, followed by a residency of 4-5 years, which may influence decision-making for prospective students.

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I am currently an undergraduate at dartmouth college, in love with both medicine and engineering, and I've been looking for a way to do both. A friend mentioned he had heard about combined M.D./Ph/D programs in biomedical engineering, which sound awesome, but everywhere i look, I can only find these programs with a biology related Ph.D., none in engineering fields. Does anyone know naything about sich programs, where they are good, not so good, and where I might find more info on them?:confused:
 
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I'd think a number of schools offer that kind of combo. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bioengineering+M.D.+Ph.D. yielded some particulars... but I'd look at this link that organizes the programs by state and contains links to the programs:
http://www.aamc.org/research/dbr/mdphd/programs.htm

These are very competitive programs to get into... my sister went through one at the University of Michigan (finished a few years ago, but still in some extended residency... be aware that this is a 7-9 year process). I don't know how many schools she applied to, but I believe she went through the interview process at four schools, and she was accepted into the program at two or three. U of M does mention "biomedical engineering" as an option.
 
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MD/PhD programs are primarily geared towards creating physicians who can function as medical research scientists. Generally most of that research is directed towards the biology related fields. Most of these MD/PhD positions are grant-funded, and may have restrictions on what kinds of PhD programs students are allowed to participate in.

If you can find a medical school associated with a university that has a biomedical engineering program (this will exclude a large number of medical schools right off the bat), and can convince the directors of the MD/PhD program to let you do the PhD portion of the in the biomed department (you would have to convince them this is a good thing), then you can probably do your MD/PhD(Eng). Surf the net and find a few promising schools, and then contact the program directors to see if a PhD(Eng) is a possibility.

The other alternative is to do a PhD(Eng), then get into a med school for your MD. A lot of physicians have ended up doing this kind of thing, deciding on a career change at some point in their life. I know a couple of MDs that started off with engineering or physics in their previous life and then went on to do an MD later.

The benefit of this approach is that you can choose a school with a strong Biomed program and then choose another school with a good MD program that fits your style. The other approach may get you a good program in one field but not so much in the other, or two mediocre programs.

Either route will end up taking up anywhere from 7-9 years of your life. And then there's a 4-5 year residency on top of that to consider when you're finished.
 
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Boston University has a whole department devoted to biomedical engineering, and their hockey team isn't too bad either.

http://www.bu.edu/dbin/bme/
 
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