Enthelpy of Formation vs. Bond Enthelpy

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The discussion focuses on calculating the average bond enthalpy, εN-F, for the decomposition of NF3 into nitrogen and fluorine gases. Two methods are used: one based on heats of formation and the other on bond enthalpies, leading to different calculated values of 278.0 kJ/mol and 146.2 kJ/mol, respectively. Participants express confusion over discrepancies in bond energy calculations, particularly regarding the bond type in N2 and the application of formation equations. Errors in arithmetic and assumptions about bond enthalpies are acknowledged, highlighting the complexity of thermodynamic calculations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of using correct values and understanding the relationships between different thermodynamic properties.
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Homework Statement



Find the average bond enthalpy, εN-F, for
NF3(g)→ N(g) + 3F(g)
Heats of formation
NF3(g)→ 1/2N2(g) + 3/2F2(g) -∆ƒHºm = 124.3 kj/mol
1/2 F2(g) → F(g) ∆ƒHºm = 79 kj/mol
1/2N2(g) → N(g) ∆ƒHºm = 472.7 kj/mol

Bond Enthalpies
NF3(g)→ 1/2N2(g) + 3/2F2(g) -∆ƒHºm = 124.3 kj/mol
1/2F2(g) → F(g) εF-F = 155 kj/mol
1/2N2(g) → N(g) εF-F = 163 kj/mol

Homework Equations



Using heats of formation
4NF3(g)→ 2N2(g) + 6F2(g) -4(∆ƒHºm = 124.3 kj/mol)
6F2(g) → 12F(g) 6*2*(∆ƒHºm = 79 kj/mol)
2N2(g) → 4N(g) 2*2(∆ƒHºm = 472.7 kj/mol)

4NF3(g)→ 4N(g) + 12F(g) ∆Hm = 3336.0 kj
12 εN-F = 3336.0 kj
εN-F = 278.0 kj/mol

Using bond enthalpies
4NF3(g)→ 2N2(g) + 6F2(g) -4(∆ƒHºm = 124.3 kj/mol)
6(F2(g) → F(g) εF-F = 155 kj/mol)
2(N2(g) → N(g) εF-F = 163 kj/mol)
4NF3(g)→ 4N(g) + 12F(g) ∆Hm = 1753.2 kj
12 εN-F = 1753.2 kj
εN-F = 146.2 kj/mol

The Attempt at a Solution



The text is the 6th Ed., Chem. Thermo. Basic Theory & Methods, Irving Klotz pg. 72 # 5. The data is from tables in the chapter that precede the problem set. Why, assuming that the arithmetic and my assumptions about being able to use the enthalpies of formation are correct, do the calculated values for εN-F vary that much?
 
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Homework Statement



Find the average bond enthalpy, εN-F, for
NF3(g)→ N(g) + 3F(g)
Heats of formation
NF3(g)→ 1/2N2(g) + 3/2F2(g) -∆ƒHºm = 124.3 kj/mol
1/2 F2(g) → F(g) ∆ƒHºm = 79 kj/mol
1/2N2(g) → N(g) ∆ƒHºm = 472.7 kj/mol

Bond Enthalpies
NF3(g)→ 1/2N2(g) + 3/2F2(g) -∆ƒHºm = 124.3 kj/mol
1/2F2(g) → F(g) εF-F = 155 kj/mol
1/2N2(g) → N(g) εF-F = 163 kj/mol[/color]
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Why, assuming that the arithmetic and my assumptions about being able to use the enthalpies of formation are correct, do the calculated values for εN-F vary that much?
What kind of bond exists between the N-atoms in N2: single, double, triple? Which one did you use above?
 
I've always "assumed" that the N2 bond was single sp3.
The table of bond enthalpies is from TL Cottrell, The Strengths of Chemical Bonds, 2nd ed. '58 pp. 270-289 & AG Gaydon, Dissociation Energies, 3rd ed. '68
 
I "assumed" wrongly however. Dopey mistake, but the difference between 193 & 278 is still kind of large.
 
never mind
 
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jbowers9 said:
I "assumed" wrongly however. Dopey mistake, but the difference between 193 & 278 is still kind of large.
How did you get 193kJ? When I looked up the bond energy for the N~N triple bond, I get the correct answer.

Notice that the bond energy equation is nothing but twice the corresponding formation equation. So, since 155kJ is roughly twice of 79kJ, that part checks out okay. But clearly, 163kJ is nothing like twice of 472kJ. When you find the correct bond energy, make sure it's close to 944kJ.

Also, you've unnecessarily multiplied all equatins by an extra factor of 4 in the beginning, and then divided by 4 in the end - more room to make a calculation error. Why did you need to do that?
 
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I recrunched the numbers. Is this what you got? I apologize for making stupid bookkeeping errors. I've been out of the loop for awhile, this is review for me. I graduated in '85. The concept that the heats of formation for the diatomic gases are for the unimolar product species and that for the bond enthalpies it's the bimolar species confused me too after rewriting the equations. I used the factor of four to try and remove the fractions, since I wrote the equations out as below originally, but used the wrong bond enthalpy for N2.

NF3(g)→ 1/2N2(g) + 3/2F2(g) -∆ƒHºm = 124.3 kj/mol
1/2F2(g) → F(g) ∆ƒHºm = 79 kj/mol
1/2N2(g) → N(g) ∆ƒHºm = 472.7 kj/mol

NF3(g)→ N2(g) + 3/2F2(g) -∆ƒHºm = 124.3 kj/mol
3/2F2(g) → 3F(g) 3(∆ƒHºm = 79 kj/mol)
1/2N2(g) → N(g) ∆ƒHºm = 472.7 kj/mol

NF3(g)→ N(g) + 3F(g) ∆Hm = 834 kj
3εN-F = 834
εN-F = 278 kj/mol

F2(g) → 2F(g) εF-F = 155 kj/mol
N2(g) → 2N(g) εN-N = 945 kj/mol
NF3(g)→ 1/2N2(g) + 3/2F2(g) -∆ƒHºm = 124.3 kj/mol

NF3(g)→ 1/2N2(g) + 3/2F2(g) -∆ƒHºm = 124.3 kj/mol
3/2(F2(g) → 2F(g) εF-F = 155 kj/mol)
1/2(N2(g) → 2N(g) εN-N = 945 kj/mol)
NF3(g)→ N(g) + 3F(g) ∆Hm = 829.3 kj
3εN-F = 829.3 kj
εN-F = 276.4 kj/mol

Just give me a heads up if your numbers agree. Thanks. I'll be making other posts.
 
Yip. Looks alright now.
 
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