Entropy change : pure mixing of gases

In summary, the conversation discusses three identical boxes of volume V containing different particles, two of which are non-interacting. The third box is a result of mixing the first two boxes, with the particles being either distinguishable or indistinguishable. The change in entropy for this process is zero according to statistical or thermodynamic calculations, but there is a discrepancy in the SMI calculation. This is because the particles are not all distinguishable from each other, leading to an incorrect expression for SMI (3). The correct expression is log M^(N+n)/N!n!, which shows that the change in entropy is not actually zero.
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Consider three identical boxes of volume V. the first two boxes will contain particles of two different species 'N' and 'n'.

The first box contains 'N' identical non interacting particles in a volume V. The second box contains 'n' non interacting particles. The third box is the result of mixing of these two boxes.

Note that the particles are non interacting and the volumes of all the boxes are identical. The total energy which is the just the kinetic energy is conserved.

The change in the entropy for such a process is zero from either statistical or thermodynamical calculations.

The SMI of the first box is:

If we assume that there are M cells in volume V then the number of configurations are M^N(if the particles are distinguishable) and if the particles are indistinguishable then the no. of configurations are M^N / N!

hence, SMI ( 1 ) = log M^N / N!

similarly, SMI ( 2 ) = log M^n / n!

and , SMI ( 3 ) = log M^( N+n ) (distinguishable particles are present)

now Δ SMI =SMI(3) - ( SM1( 1 ) + SMI( 2 ) ) = log M^( N+n ) - log M^( N+n ) / N! n! = log N! n!

And therefore ΔS = K ln 2 (ΔSMI) which turns out to be not zero.

Why is there a discrepancy?. Is there some conceptual mistake in the SMI calculation.

In the book, the author explains that the change in SMI is zero since there is no change in volume or energy and hence the locational SMI change and the momenta SMI change are zero...please help.
 
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blackdranzer said:
The change in the entropy for such a process is zero from either statistical or thermodynamical calculations
If, by 'process', you mean the mixing, then: no.
 
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BvU said:
If, by 'process', you mean the mixing, then: no.

as long as the volume of the box after mixing remains the same and for an ideal gas, the change in entropy is zero. But, if the volume of the third box is larger then ofcourse, entropy increases...

note: Referred from "Entropy and the second law, interpretations and mis-interpretations " Ariah Ben Naim (2013) pg. no. 144
 
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blackdranzer said:
The change in the entropy for such a process is zero
So: what is the 'process' ?
 
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"SMI ( 3 ) = log M^( N+n ) (distinguishable particles are present)"
This is not correct. The particles are not all distinguishable from each other. The Ns are indistinguishable from each other , and so are the ns, but the Ns are distinguishable from the ns. The correct expression is log M^(N+n)/N!n! (as distinct from log M^(N+n)/(N+n)!, which is what it would be if all the particles were indistinguishable).
 
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1. What is entropy change?

Entropy change is a measure of the disorder or randomness in a system. It is a thermodynamic property that describes the amount of energy that is no longer available for work.

2. How is entropy change calculated?

The change in entropy of a system is calculated by taking the difference between the entropy of the final state and the initial state. Mathematically, it can be expressed as ΔS = Sfinal - Sinitial.

3. What is pure mixing of gases?

Pure mixing of gases refers to the process of combining two or more gases to form a homogeneous mixture. This can occur in an open system where there is no barrier to prevent the gases from mixing.

4. How does pure mixing of gases affect entropy change?

Pure mixing of gases results in an increase in entropy change. This is because the gases become more randomly distributed and their molecules are free to move and interact with each other, increasing the disorder in the system.

5. Does the type of gas affect entropy change in pure mixing?

Yes, the type of gas does affect entropy change in pure mixing. Gases with larger molecular weights have higher entropy change compared to gases with smaller molecular weights. This is because larger molecules have more possible arrangements and therefore have a higher degree of disorder.

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