Entropy & Osmosis: Brownian Motion & 2nd Law of Motion

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Brownian motion and osmosis interact with the second law of thermodynamics by influencing entropy within a system. The diffusion of particles from high to low concentration increases entropy, aligning with thermodynamic principles. Brownian motion, characterized by the random movement of particles, primarily applies to individual particles, while entropy is a concept relevant to larger groups of particles. In systems with semipermeable membranes, particles tend to diffuse toward areas of higher entropy, driven by thermodynamic favorability. The discussion also touches on the concept of osmotic potential energy, which can be converted into gravitational potential energy when pressure is applied through a membrane. However, this process does not create energy; it merely transforms it, as the system requires additional work to restore the original state. The mention of Maxwell's demon highlights the theoretical limits of energy manipulation in closed systems, emphasizing that energy conservation remains intact.
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what exactly browian motion and osmosis does to the second law of motion? nothing right? because anyway one will set an experiment trying to locate semipermeable membrane, he\she already exert more energy.

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Diffusion of a substance from an area of high concentration to an area of lower concentration will increase the entropy of the system.

Brownian motion is tricky to talk about in terms of entropy. Brownian motion (the random walk of particles) is something that occurs with single particles. Entropy, a thermodynamic concept, applies to large ensembles of particles, not single particles. Of course, the Brownian motion of large ensembles of particles is diffusion.
 
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I think you need to also consider thermo-osmosis. Or that, in a permeable membrane which has some sort of an entropy/temperature gradient, particles will always diffuse towards higher entropy since it is thermodynamically favored.
 
well it is a difussion if the membrane got holes alowing only small objects move both sides and big stay in one side. you build a pressure, when you remove the membrane there is energy, and that is not just a few particles but a large quantity of microscopic particles
 
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and Maxwell was right, there can be a demon, even if it is in a small case
 
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if the membrane got holes alowing only small objects move both sides and big stay in one side. you build a pressure, when you remove the membrane there is energy [...] and Maxwell was right, there can be a demon, even if it is in a small case
The membrane is just a lever for converting the osmotic potential energy (that you prepared) into gravitational potential energy (which you know how to harness). You can tell that it isn't creating energy by the fact that, unlike Maxwell's demon, the operation of your device can't repeat in a closed cycle (you have to perform more work to separate back the solutes first).
 
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