Epsilon-Delta Proof (Right or Wrong)?

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The discussion revolves around the epsilon-delta definition of limits in calculus, specifically focusing on proving the limit of the function \( f(x) = \frac{2}{x + 3} \) as \( x \) approaches 3. Participants explore various approaches to establish a valid proof, addressing potential pitfalls and clarifying the relationship between \( \epsilon \) and \( \delta \).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial proof attempt using the epsilon-delta definition, concluding that \( \delta = 18\epsilon \) suffices for any given \( \epsilon > 0 \).
  • Another participant questions the validity of this conclusion by providing a counterexample with \( \epsilon = 1 \) and suggesting that the proof lacks clarity in establishing the necessary implications between inequalities.
  • A suggestion is made to reconstruct the proof by starting with assumptions and demonstrating how they lead to the desired conclusion, emphasizing the need for a clear logical flow.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of finding \( \delta \) through bounding \( |x + 3| \) and explore different approaches, including the use of upper and lower bounds.
  • There is mention of using a fixed \( \delta = 1 \) to simplify the proof, although some participants express uncertainty about its applicability for all \( \epsilon \).
  • A later reply proposes a method of setting \( \delta = \min(1, 15\epsilon) \) to facilitate the proof, suggesting that this approach simplifies the relationship between \( |x - 3| \) and \( |f(x) - \frac{1}{3}| \).

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the initial proof and the implications of the inequalities involved. There is no consensus on the best approach to proving the limit, with multiple competing methods and suggestions presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of carefully establishing the relationships between the inequalities and the assumptions made during the proof process. There are unresolved questions regarding the applicability of certain values of \( \delta \) and the necessity of bounding \( |x + 3| \).

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Given:
[math]\lim_{x \to 3} \dfrac{2}{x + 3} = \dfrac{1}{3}[/math]

Goal:
Prove using $\epsilon-\delta$ definition of a limit.

Plan:
Let [math] \epsilon > 0 [/math] be given. Find [math] \delta > 0 [/math] so that
if [math] 0 < \left|x - 3 \right| < \delta [/math], then [math] \left|f(x) - \dfrac{1}{3} \right| < \epsilon [/math]

Solve:
[math] \left|\dfrac{2}{x + 3} - \dfrac{1}{3} \right| = \left|\dfrac{6}{3(x + 3)} - \dfrac{x + 3}{3(x + 3)} \right| = \left| \dfrac{x + 3}{3(x + 3)} - \dfrac{6}{3(x + 3)}\right| = \left| \dfrac{x + 3 - 6}{3(x + 3)}\right|= \left| \dfrac{x -3}{3(x + 3)}\right| < \epsilon [/math]
\begin{align*} |x - 3| &< |3(x + 3)|\epsilon \\ x\text{ is approaching }3, \text{therefore }|x - 3| &< |3(3 + 3)|\epsilon \\ |x - 3| &< |3(6)| \\ \left|x - 3 \right| &< 18\epsilon\end{align*}

Result:
[math] 18\epsilon = \delta [/math]

Conclusion:
From the statement [math]18\epsilon = \delta [/math], it is clear that for any given [math]\epsilon[/math], a [math]\delta[/math] exists such that if [math] 0 < \left|x - 3 \right| < \delta [/math], then [math] \left|f(x) - \dfrac{1}{3} \right| < \epsilon [/math]
 
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So, does this mean that for $\epsilon=1$ I can take $\delta=18$? Let's take $x=-2.99$, then $|x-3|=5.99<\delta$, but $\left|\dfrac{2}{x+3}-\dfrac{1}{3}\right|=\left|\dfrac{2}{0.01}-\dfrac{1}{3}\right|=\left| 200-\dfrac{1}{3}\right|>\epsilon$.

I recommend writing your solution not as a record of finding $\delta$ (i.e., not as a process of solving [math] \left|f(x) - 1/3 \right| < \epsilon [/math]), but as a proof that a certain $\delta$ works. To illustrate the difference, your solution contains sequences of statements without describing the relationship between them, for example:
bwpbruce said:
\begin{align*} |x - 3| &< |3(x + 3)|\epsilon \\ x\text{ is approaching }3, \text{therefore }|x - 3| &< |3(3 + 3)|\epsilon \\ |x - 3| &< |3(6)| \\ \left|x - 3 \right| &< 18\epsilon\end{align*}
Does this mean that $|x - 3| < |3(x + 3)|\epsilon$ implies $\left|x - 3 \right| < 18\epsilon$ or vice versa? Since the definition of limit says $|x-3|<\delta\implies |f(x)-1/3|<\epsilon$, it must be the case that $\left|x - 3 \right| < 18\epsilon$ implies $|x - 3| < |3(x + 3)|\epsilon$. But even if $x<3$ (and the fact that $x$ approaches 3 does not mean that $x<3$), then $|x - 3| < |3(3 + 3)|\epsilon$ does not imply $|x - 3| < |3(x + 3)|\epsilon$. The converse implication holds: $|x - 3| < |3(x + 3)|\epsilon<|3(3 + 3)|\epsilon$, but even this requires that $-3<x<3$.

A good proof should start with assumptions ("Let's fix an arbitrary $\epsilon>0$ and consider $\delta=\ldots$") and then show that they necessarily imply [math] \left|f(x) - 1/3 \right| < \epsilon [/math].
 
Suppose I were to re-construct the solution per your suggestion, how might I go about doing so?
 
First you need to find $\delta$. You could solve two systems of inequalities. Suppose that
\[
\left\{
\begin{aligned}
2/(x+3)-1/3&<\epsilon\\
x&<3
\end{aligned}\right.
\]
gives $x>x_1(\epsilon)$ and
\[
\left\{
\begin{aligned}
1/3-2/(x+3)&<\epsilon\\
x&>3
\end{aligned}\right.
\]
gives $x<x_2(\epsilon)$. Then take $\delta_1=3-x_1(\epsilon)$ and $\delta_2=x_2(\epsilon)-3$. Now prove carefully that $x_1(\epsilon)<x<3$ implies $0<2/(x+3)-1/3<\epsilon$ and $3<x<x_2(\epsilon)$ implies $0<1/3-2/(x+3)<\epsilon$. Basically, you need to reverse the process of finding $x_1$ and $x_2$, but this time the proof should start with assumptions and every statement must strictly follow from previous ones. Pay attention to things like multiplying inequalities by negative numbers. Finally, take $\delta=\min(\delta_1,\delta_2)$.

Perhaps there is an easier way that uses some upper or lower bound to simplify the expressions involved.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Perhaps there is an easier way that uses some upper or lower bound to simplify the expressions involved.

Indeed, and alternatively, he can suppose $\delta = 1$ and find an upper bound for $|x+3|$.
 
Rido12 said:
Indeed, and alternatively, he can suppose $\delta = 1$ and find an upper bound for $|x+3|$.
I am not sure I understand. The value $\delta=1$ does not work for every $\epsilon$.
 
I've seen that used commonly in solving quadratic limits. As I understand it, since the concept of limits applies only when $x$ is close to $a$, which in this case is $3$, then we can place a restriction on $x$ such that it is at most $1$ of $a$. (i.e $|x-3|<\delta=1$)
 
OK, so you are suggesting finding $\delta$ in the form $\delta=\min(\ldots,1)$. But I still think more information is needed concerning why we need the upper bound on $|x+3|$.
 
From the OP's post, we have $|\dfrac{x -3}{3(x + 3)}|<\epsilon$. If we can replace or bound $|x+3|$, then we can easily find delta. I guess, this may also work with a lower bound, but I have never done that. And I have not investigated yet on why it works. Perhaps you can explain. :D
 
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Rido12 said:
From the OP's post, we have $|\dfrac{x -3}{3(x + 3)}|<\epsilon$. If we can replace or bound $|x+3|$, then we can easily find delta.
The way I understand your suggestion is as follows.

Let $\delta=\min(1,15\epsilon)$. Then $|x-3|<\delta$ implies
\begin{align}
\frac{|x-3|}{3|x+3|}&<\frac{\delta}{3\cdot5}\le\frac{15\epsilon}{15}=\epsilon.
\end{align}
Yes, this is much simpler.
 

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