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find solutions of $x$ and $y$
$4x+3y-2x\begin{bmatrix}
\dfrac{x^2+y^2}{x^2}
\end{bmatrix}=0
$
$4x+3y-2x\begin{bmatrix}
\dfrac{x^2+y^2}{x^2}
\end{bmatrix}=0
$
The discussion revolves around finding solutions for the variables $x$ and $y$ in the equation $4x+3y-2x\begin{bmatrix}\dfrac{x^2+y^2}{x^2}\end{bmatrix}=0$. Participants explore different interpretations and methods for expressing $y$ in terms of $x$, as well as clarifying the notation used in the equation.
Participants generally agree on the need to express $y$ in terms of $x$, but there are multiple interpretations regarding the notation and the correctness of the proposed methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to finding solutions.
There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the variables, particularly the condition $x \ne 0$, and the interpretation of the notation used in the equation.
Albert said:find solutions of $x$ and $y$
$4x+3y-2x\begin{bmatrix}
\dfrac{x^2+y^2}{x^2}
\end{bmatrix}=0
$
if x,y not specialized value , then express y in terms of xProve It said:Do you mean to find y in terms of x?
Albert said:find solutions of $x$ and $y$
$4x+3y-2x\begin{bmatrix}
\dfrac{x^2+y^2}{x^2}
\end{bmatrix}=0
$
Evobeus said:Is [ ] denoting the greatest integer function or is it just a bracket replacement of ( ) ?
Albert said:find solutions of $x$ and $y$
$4x+3y-2x\begin{bmatrix}
\dfrac{x^2+y^2}{x^2}
\end{bmatrix}=0
$
Evobeus said:First we easily see that $x \ne 0$
So, now divide both sides of the given equation by $x$
We get,
$4+3 \frac{y}{x} -2\begin{bmatrix}
\dfrac{x^2+y^2}{x^2}
\end{bmatrix} =0$
From there we see that $\frac{y}{x}$ must be an integer.
Thus,
$y=k*x$ where $k$ is an integer.
Now replace $y$ with $k*x$ in the given equation and divide it by $x$.
This gives us
$2k^2-3k-2=0$
Solving for $k$ gives us $k=2$ or $k=-\frac{1}{2}$
Therefore,
$x$ is any non zero real number and $y=k*x$ where $k=2$ or $k=-\frac{1}{2}$
Evobeus said:First we easily see that $x \ne 0$
So, now divide both sides of the given equation by $x$
We get,
$4+3 \frac{y}{x} -2\begin{bmatrix}
\dfrac{x^2+y^2}{x^2}
\end{bmatrix} =0$
From there we see that $\frac{y}{x}$ must be an integer.
Thus,
$y=k*x$ where $k$ is an integer.
Now replace $y$ with $k*x$ in the given equation and divide it by $x$.
This gives us
$2k^2-3k-2=0$
Solving for $k$ gives us $k=2$ or $k=-\frac{1}{2}$
Therefore,
$x$ is any non zero real number and $y=k*x$ where $k=2$ or $k=-\frac{1}{2}$
So, after spending so many words on something that could be described in a single line I describe the error and the solution again :Albert said:$y=2x , \,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\bigcirc \\
y=-\dfrac{x}{2}, \,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\times$
$y=kx $
(where $k$ may or may not be an integer)
Evobeus said:My solution (the one quoted above {^^} [ in this post ] ) is correct in terms of the idea or methodical procedure or algorithm (algorithm is a good word) but is wrong in terms of the answer
Although Albert's post very effectively helped me (and I am sure many who read my solution), but I cannot understand Albert's claim clearly (sorry for that --it is my fault )
So, after spending so many words on something that could be described in a single line I describe the error and the solution again :
First : See that $x \ne 0$ [why ? ] [Reason : $x^2$ is in the denomianator ]
Second : Divide both sides of the given equation by $x^2$ [It is possible because $x \ne 0$ and $x,y \in \mathbb{R}$ ]
Third: we get an expression
$4+3*\frac{y}{x} - 2 ( \lfloor \frac{x^2+y^2}{x^2} \rfloor ) = 0$
Fourth:We get an expression
$3* \frac{y}{x}$ = integer
So ,
$3y=k*x$ where $k$ is integer.
earlier I wrote :
$y=k*x$ where $k$ is an integer but actually $\boxed{3}y=k*x$ where $k$ is an integer.
Now proceed as done in the solution and get the solution.