Equation Rearrangement problem(I think)

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of dimensionless constants x and y in the equation for escape velocity expressed as v = kg^x r^y, where r is the radius of the Earth and g is the acceleration due to gravity. Participants explore the relationship between these variables and their dimensions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest using dimensional analysis to equate the dimensions of both sides of the equation. There are discussions about whether g represents acceleration due to gravity or the gravitational constant G, and the implications of assuming x and y could be equal.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on dimensional analysis and questioning the definitions of variables. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions regarding the constants involved, but no consensus has been reached on the values of x and y.

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Some participants note the lack of specific values and the ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the constants and their definitions, which may affect the approach to finding x and y.

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Homework Statement


The escape velocity for tomahawk missile is which escape the gravitational attraction of the Earth is expressed by

v=kg^xr^y
r= radius of Earth , g = acceleration due to gravity k,x,y=dimensionless constants
Determine values for x and y

Homework Equations


I know velocity is displacement/time , and acceleration is velocity/time, however I have no idea how this relates to the question. Since there are no exact values given, I'm pretty sure I have to isolate x and y.

The Attempt at a Solution



v=kg^xr^y

kg^xr^y/kr^y = v/kr^y

g^x=v/kr^y
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This is where I got stuck.Based on the equation above, then kr^y is the value for Time. I have no idea how I'm supposed to isolate the x and y. And I'm not even sure I'm approaching this question correctly
 
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Use dimensional analysis. What are the dimensions of acceleration multiplied by distance?
 
You need to find values of x and y so that the left-hand side and the right-hand side of v = kgxry have the same dimensions.

For example, suppose you were to let x = 1 and y = 1. What would be the dimensions of the right-hand side?
 
TSny said:
You need to find values of x and y so that the left-hand side and the right-hand side of v = kgxry have the same dimensions.

For example, suppose you were to let x = 1 and y = 1. What would be the dimensions of the right-hand side?

Wouldn't that break the rules of the question?
The question never did say x and y are equal.
 
ZenMode said:
r= radius of Earth , g = acceleration due to gravity k,x,y=dimensionless constants
are you sure that g in that equation is g the acceleration . not G the gravitational constant
i think its G
becouse the escape velocity Ve=(2GM/r)0.5
and you can rearange that to get :
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i guess its not that simple
 
ZenMode said:
The question never did say x and y are equal.
True. But it never said they couldn't be equal either. :oldsmile:
Anyway, in solving the problem you will determine whether or not they happen to be equal.
 
Hello, patric44. It appears from the statement of the problem that g represents the acceleration due to gravity (apparently at the surface of the earth).

When helping someone with a question, please don't provide a complete solution. This is against the rules of the forum. Try to provide just enough assistance to get the questioner on track. Thanks.
 
TSny said:
Hello, patric44. It appears from the statement of the problem that g represents the acceleration due to gravity (apparently at the surface of the earth).

When helping someone with a question, please don't provide a complete solution. This is against the rules of the forum. Try to provide just enough assistance to get the questioner on track. Thanks.

i don't think that a truly complete solution i mean its only one equation.
i only wanted to show him if it was G it will be much simpler ... sorry any way :)
 
TSny said:
When helping someone with a question, please don't provide a complete solution. This is against the rules of the forum. Try to provide just enough assistance to get the questioner on track. Thanks.
Noted.
 

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