I Equilibrium state of sourceless EM field

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In a perfectly conducting box with an initial localized sourceless magnetic field, the field begins to spread and eventually reaches an equilibrium state. The discussion highlights the challenge of defining a "sourceless" magnetic field while adhering to Maxwell's equations, particularly the condition that no charges or currents are present. A proposed modification involves introducing a current that creates a dipole magnetic field before being switched off, allowing for analysis using Jefimenko’s equations. As time progresses, the stationary magnetic field dissipates, leading to a complex equilibrium state characterized by standing electromagnetic waves influenced by the initial conditions. Ultimately, the conductive nature of the box complicates the field dynamics due to reflections, suggesting a rich and intricate final state.
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What happends to a sourceless magnetic field in a confined space?
Given a box made of perfectly conducting material. At some part of it at t=0 there is a localized magnetic field. It's sourceless and there aren't any dissipation. After t=0 it starts to spread and fill the box. What is the equilibrium state?

Thanks for the answer(s),
Robert
 
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How do you get a "sourceless" magnetic field? \nabla \cdot B = 0.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
How do you get a "sourceless" magnetic field? \nabla \cdot B = 0.
No charges, no currents, and at t=0 no varying electric field.
 
Creedence said:
No charges, no currents, and at t=0 no varying electric field.

So why is your field non-zero?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
So why is your field non-zero?
Because I put it there as an initial condition and I'm interested in the system's time evolution.
 
Then this whole thread is "what do the laws of physics say when I violate the laws of physics".
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Then this whole thread is "what do the laws of physics say when I violate the laws of physics".
After I violated it. And because at t=0 the system is in a valid state, this question makes sense.
 
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Creedence said:
And because at t=0 the system is in a valid state
I don’t think that it is a valid state. How about this modification:

For ##t < 0## there is a small loop at the origin with a constant current which sets up a steady dipole magnetic field. At ##t>0## the current is 0. So there is a source, but it is switched off at ##t=0##
 
Dale said:
I don’t think that it is a valid state. How about this modification:

For ##t < 0## there is a small loop at the origin with a constant current which sets up a steady dipole magnetic field. At ##t>0## the current is 0. So there is a source, but it is switched off at ##t=0##
The current change makes the initial field non-static. But I think its effect can be neglected. I'm only interested in the future of the built-up magnetic field.
Thanks, that is a good idea.
 
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Creedence said:
The current change makes the initial field non-static. But I think its effect can be neglected. I'm only interested in the future of the built-up magnetic field.
Thanks, that is a good idea.
So this is then fairly easy to analyze using Jefimenko’s equations. At each point you can divide time into two pieces: ##t>t_r## and ##t<t_r## where ##t_r=(\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2})/c## is the retarded time. Before ##t_r## the magnetic field will be the standard dipole field. After ##t_r## it will be 0. At ##t_r## there will be an impulsive E field which will satisfy Maxwell’s equations between the two conditions.
 
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Dale said:
So this is then fairly easy to analyze using Jefimenko’s equations. At each point you can divide time into two pieces: ##t>t_r## and ##t<t_r## where ##t_r=(\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2})/c## is the retarded time. Before ##t_r## the magnetic field will be the standard dipole field. After ##t_r## it will be 0. At ##t_r## there will be an impulsive E field which will satisfy Maxwell’s equations between the two conditions.
So the stationary magnetic field disappears (or radiates into the other parts of the box). The equilibrium state will be the sum of standing electromagnetic waves. And the amplitude of these waves are given by the Fourier series of B(t=0).
Is it OK?

I didn't count on the possible non-ergodicity of the system, so I assume it will reach a stationary state in t→∞ .
 
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Oh, I forgot about the box. Since it is conductive you will get reflections. The field will be very complicated. I was just thinking of free space except for the small loop at the origin. That gives the simple fields I described above.
 
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