Equivalence Principle and Gravity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of the Earth's rotational slowdown on gravitational effects, specifically in relation to the equivalence principle. Participants explore how changes in centrifugal acceleration and the shape of the Earth might influence the perceived force of gravity on falling objects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a slowing rotation would lead to a smaller gravitational force, as suggested by the equivalence principle.
  • Others argue that the force of gravity is independent of the motion of the Earth, although they acknowledge minor effects due to changes in mass and shape.
  • One participant notes that centrifugal acceleration would decrease, potentially causing objects to fall slightly faster, with an estimated increase of about 0.3% at the equator.
  • Another participant discusses how a reduction in centripetal acceleration could increase apparent weight due to changes in normal forces, but clarifies that this does not affect gravity for falling objects.
  • There is a mention that while gravity as a fundamental force does not increase, the acceleration towards the ground may change due to various factors.
  • A mathematical expression is provided to describe the acceleration towards the ground, highlighting the effects of Earth's rotation and shape on gravitational acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between Earth's rotation and gravitational effects, with no consensus reached on how these factors interact or influence the force of gravity.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the Earth's non-spherical shape and the Coriolis effect are relevant but are often neglected in their discussions, indicating limitations in their analyses.

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I'm reading a book wherein the Earth's rotation is supposedly slowing down. The author claims that a ball thrown in the air would fall faster and harder... But if the rotation slows, wouldn't the equivalence principle say that the smaller acceleration could also be interpreted as a smaller force of gravity?
 
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hi schaefera! :smile:
schaefera said:
… if the rotation slows, wouldn't the equivalence principle say that the smaller acceleration could also be interpreted as a smaller force of gravity?

what acceleration? :confused:

the force of gravity doesn't depend on whether either body is moving

(ok, technically, there will be an undetectably slight difference, caused by the undetectably slightly slower mass of a slower-rotating Earth :wink:)
 
Centrifugal acceleration (or the requirement of centripetal acceleration if you like inertial frames) would be reduced. As a result and if we neglect other effects, objects would fall a bit quicker (about 0.3% at the equator) and not perfectly vertical.
One of those other effects: Earth would change its shape a bit, too, and become more spherical. This changes the distance between its surface and the center, reducing gravitational acceleration at the poles and increasing it at the equator even more.
 
I was thinking that there would be a smaller centripetal acceleration from us being pulled along with the rotations. And while this would increase apparent weight (normal forces on us would slightly increase due to the lower centripetal acceleration), it wouldn't make gravity stronger for anything else...
 
but the author was talking about a falling ball, so there's no normal forces :confused:
 
Gravity (as fundamental force) does not get stronger, but the acceleration towards the bottom does.

@tiny-tim: Earth is not a perfect sphere.
 
Why does the acceleration toward the bottom get bigger-- what equations could I consider?
 
In a frame relative to the surface of earth, and neglecting coriolis force and the non-spherical shape of earth: $$\vec{a}= -\frac{MG}{r^3} \vec{r} - \omega \times (\omega \times \vec{r})$$
where r is the vector between surface and center of earth. I hope I got the sign right.
The second part always points away from the surface (perpendicular on the equator, in other directions elsewhere), if you remove it (by setting ω=0), the acceleration towards the ground gets reduced.
 

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