Evaluate Integral of x^2/(1 + e^sin(x))

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The problem involves evaluating the integral \(\int^2_{-2} \frac{x^2}{1 + e^{\sin x}} \, dx\), which falls under the subject area of calculus, specifically integral calculus and series expansions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty and mentions an attempt at a series expansion without success. Some participants discuss the symmetry of the integrand and suggest that it simplifies the evaluation. Others explore the relationship between the integrals of \(\frac{x^2}{1 + e^{\sin x}}\) and \(\frac{x^2}{1 + e^{\sin(-x)}}\), noting that they can be combined to yield a simpler expression. There are also references to Bernoulli numbers and the Fermi distribution function as related concepts.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the symmetry of the function, while others are questioning the assumptions and methods being used. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the integral, including potential series expansions and symmetry considerations. The original poster's lack of clarity on the problem setup is noted, as well as the potential for different interpretations of the integral's properties.

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Homework Statement



Evaluate [tex]\int^2_{-2} {x^2dx\over {1+e^\sin x}}[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



No clue, tried a series expansion but it shed no light.
 
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This seems to be true

[tex]\int_{-a}^a{x^2dx \over {1+e^{\sin x} } } = {a^3\over 3}[/tex]

Not sure how to get there though
 
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[tex]\int_{-2}^{2}\frac{x^2}{1+e^{\sin x}} dx[/tex]

is the same as

[tex]\int_{0}^{2} \frac{x^2}{1+e^{\sin x}} dx+ \int_{0}^{2}\frac{x^2}{1+e^{\sin -x}}dx[/tex]

Series expansion shows that

[tex]\frac{x^2}{1+e^{\sin x}} = \frac{x^2}{2}-\frac{x^3}{4}+\frac{x^5}{16}-\frac{7 x^7}{480} \cdots[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{x^2}{1+e^{\sin x}} dx= \frac{x^3}{6}-\frac{x^4}{16}+\frac{x^6}{96}-\frac{7 x^8}{3840}+\cdots[/tex]

[tex]\frac{x^2}{1+e^{\sin -x}} = \frac{x^2}{2}+\frac{x^3}{4}-\frac{x^5}{16}+\frac{7 x^7}{480} \cdots[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{x^2}{1+e^{\sin -x}}dx = \frac{x^3}{6}+\frac{x^4}{16}-\frac{x^6}{96}+\frac{7 x^8}{3840}-\cdots[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{x^2}{1+e^{\sin x}} dx+ \int \frac{x^2}{1+e^{\sin -x}}dx = \frac{x^3}{3}[/tex]

That's as close as I can get. Before integration, changing x for -x preserves only the first term with an even index. Not really sure how to show that. I doubt this is the way the question is supposed to be answered.
 
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1/[1+exp(y)] + 1/[1+exp(-y)] =

1/[1+exp(y)] + exp(y)/[exp(y)+1] =

[1+exp(y)]/[1+exp(y)] = 1

:approve:
 
hmmm so

x^2/(1+e^sinx) + x^2/(1+e^sin-x) = x^2. No need for expansion... I think it's a bit sneaky to expect you to notice the symmetry/assymetry in the integral etc.
 
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hmmm so

x^2/(1+e^sinx) + x^2/(1+e^sin-x) = x^2. No need for expansion... I think it's a bit sneaky to expect you to notice the symmetry/assymetry in the integral etc.

Most people who know this would have noted it via the well known fact that the Bernouilli numbers B_n for odd n are all zero except for n = 1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli_number

This fact follows most easily by using the generating function of the Bernoulli numbers:

[tex]\frac{x}{\exp(x) - 1}=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{B_{n}}{n!}x^n[/tex]

and then using the same symmetry.
 
Or via the similar symmetry of the Fermi distribution function around the Fermi energy. That function has a plus 1 in the numerator, so its more similar to this problem.
 

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