Evaluating Integral with Green's Theorem: x^2+y^2=9

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The problem involves using Green's Theorem to evaluate the line integral \(\int_c(x^2ydx+xy^2dy)\) over a positively oriented circle defined by \(x^2+y^2=9\). The original poster is exploring the conversion of the integral into polar coordinates and is uncertain about the correct setup for the double integral.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine the expression for \(\frac{\delta g}{\delta x}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y}\) and questions whether to convert the integral to polar coordinates. They express confusion about the correct form of the integral in polar coordinates and whether they should integrate over the perimeter or the entire area of the circle.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the setup of the integral, with some clarifying the correct form of the equations involved. There is a focus on whether to include the Jacobian when converting to polar coordinates, and the conversation indicates that guidance has been provided regarding the use of the Jacobian.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of typos and corrections made during the discussion, which may affect the clarity of the problem setup. The original poster is also grappling with the implications of integrating over a circular region.

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Homework Statement



Use Green's Theorem to evaluate [itex]\int_c(x^2ydx+xy^2dy)[/itex], where c is the positively oriented circle, [itex]x^2+y^2=9[/itex]

Homework Equations



[tex]\int\int_R (\frac{\delta g}{\delta x}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y})dA[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I have found [itex]\frac{\delta g}{\delta x}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y}[/itex] to be [itex]y^2-x^2[/itex]

My hangup is moving forward. My integral will look like this,

[itex]\int\int_R [y^2-x^2]dA[/itex]

however, since the region is a circle I am integrating over should I convert this to polar? If I do, will my values in the integral be [itex]rcos^2\theta - rsin^2\theta[/itex], or since it's basically just a line integral, will it be [itex]3cos^2\theta - 3sin^2\theta[/itex]?

This setup is confusing me. Any help is appreciated. Am I integrating just the perimeter of the circle, or the entire thing?

Thanks,
Mac
 
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Some typos / errors corrected below:
MacLaddy said:

Homework Statement



Use Green's Theorem to evaluate [itex]\int_c(\red{x}^2ydx+xy^2dy)[/itex], where c is the positively oriented circle, [itex]x^2+y^2=9[/itex]

Homework Equations


[tex]\int\int_R (\frac{\delta g}{\delta f}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y})dA[/tex]
Should be

[itex]\displaystyle \int\int_R (\frac{\delta g}{\delta x}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y})dA[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution

Following line corrected:
I have found [itex]\frac{\delta g}{\delta x}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y}[/itex] to be [itex]y^2-x^2[/itex]
My hangup is moving forward. My integral will look like this,

[itex]\int\int_R [y^2-x^2]dA[/itex]

however, since the region is a circle I am integrating over should I convert this to polar? If I do, will my values in the integral be [itex]rcos^2\theta - rsin^2\theta[/itex], or since it's basically just a line integral, will it be [itex]3cos^2\theta - 3sin^2\theta[/itex]?
The r's should be squared.

[itex]r^2\cos^2(\theta) - r^2\sin^2(\theta)[/itex]
This setup is confusing me. Any help is appreciated. Am I integrating just the perimeter of the circle, or the entire thing?

Thanks,
Mac
What integral do you get ?
 
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SammyS said:
Some typos / errors corrected below:
Should be

[itex]\displaystyle \int\int_R (\frac{\delta g}{\delta f}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y})dA[/itex]

Following line corrected:

Sorry, this is confusing me. I fixed this [itex]\int\int_R (\frac{\delta g}{\delta f}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y})dA[/itex] to be [itex]\int\int_R (\frac{\delta g}{\delta x}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y})dA[/itex] this, but it may have been while you were typing. Let me know if there are still errors that I am missing.

SammyS said:
The r's should be squared.

[itex]r^2\cos^2(\theta) - r^2\sin^2(\theta)[/itex]What integral do you get ?

Well, if I convert to polar, and from what you are saying, it should be
[tex]\displaystyle \int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^3[r^2 sin^2\theta - r^2 cos^2\theta]rdrd\theta[/tex]
Do I still use the additional r in the Jacobian when I am doing it this way? Or am I completely off base?

Thanks for the help.
Mac
 
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MacLaddy said:
Sorry, this is confusing me. I fixed this [itex]\int\int_R (\frac{\delta g}{\delta f}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y})dA[/itex] to be [itex]\int\int_R (\frac{\delta g}{\delta x}-\frac{\delta f}{\delta y})dA[/itex] this, but it may have been while you were typing. Let me know if there are still errors that I am missing.
Yes, you must have corrected it while I was typing.
Well, if I convert to polar, and from what you are saying, it should be
[tex]\displaystyle \int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^3[r^2 sin^2\theta - r^2 cos^2\theta]rdrd\theta[/tex]
Do I still use the additional r in the Jacobian when I am doing it this way? Or am I completely off base?

Thanks for the help.
Mac
Of course you use the Jacobian. dxdy → rdrdθ .
 
SammyS said:
Of course you use the Jacobian. dxdy → rdrdθ .

Groovy, thank you very much for the help. My mind was definitely glitching on that one.

I evaluated the integral and it equaled 0, so I suppose there is no net rotation.

Mac
 

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