Everyday analogy why hidden variables can’t explain entanglement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of an everyday analogy to explain why hidden variable theories cannot adequately account for quantum entanglement. Participants explore the implications of local versus non-local hidden variables in the context of quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an analogy involving two guests and a moderator to illustrate the limitations of hidden variable theories in explaining entanglement.
  • Another participant references Bohmian Mechanics, noting that it incorporates "action at a distance" through the quantum potential, suggesting that this is a necessary aspect of localized systems.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that hidden variables could be inherent to the cards themselves, indicating that classical systems can be modeled with hidden variables.
  • One participant points out that the analogy specifically addresses local hidden variables, contrasting them with non-local hidden variables that relate to "spooky action at a distance."
  • A later reply connects the analogy to a specific paper discussing the relationship between the uncertainty principle and non-locality in quantum mechanics.
  • The original poster clarifies that their analogy is derived from the proof of Bell's theorem, emphasizing the focus on local hidden variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of hidden variables, with some agreeing on the analogy's effectiveness while others emphasize the distinction between local and non-local hidden variables. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the adequacy of hidden variable theories in explaining entanglement.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities of hidden variable theories and their implications for understanding quantum entanglement, with participants acknowledging the nuances of local versus non-local interpretations.

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Everyday analogy why hidden variables can’t explain entanglement

I tried to come up with an everyday “obvious” analogy that explains why a hidden variable theory cannot explain quantum entanglement.

Here’s the story: There are two guests and one moderator on a stage. The moderator explains to the two guests that they will be separated from one another and then be given each a red or green card. He says that they will be asked to randomly write “head” or “tail” onto the card and return it to the moderator. He also asks them to please give the same answer as the other guest if they are given the same colored cards, and uncorrelated answers if they are given differently colored cards.

Before being separated the guests are allowed to talk to each other and take notes, share all their history, but quite obviously that does not help a bit at meeting the moderator’s request. This “talking, taking notes and knowing each other’s history” are all possible “hidden variables” that the guests – or electrons – could carry with them but it does not help. Only if the guests can call each other on the cell phone they can meet the moderator’s request. And that is exactly what the “spooky action at a distance” is.

Is this analogy physically accurate?

PS: The guests can meet the moderator’s request by taking along an entangled electron/positron. When given a green card, they measure the spin in x direction; when given a red card, they measure the spin in y direction. If the measurement yields a positive spin, the answer should be “head”, if negative, “tail”.
 
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In the only hidden variables theory that I know of (Bohmian Mechanics), there's indeed ''action at a distance'', through the quantum potential. It is the price it pays for having the localized and separable physical systems. I think your analogy is good.
 
Hidden variables would be part of the cards itself - something that tells the guests which word to write.
Every classical system can be modeled with hidden variables, I think.
 
Dyb, your analogy is OK, but it should be added that it is an analogy for LOCAL hidden variables. By contrast, the spooky action at a distance corresponds to NON-LOCAL hidden variables.
 
I think this is very similar to the game used in this paper:
Jonathan Oppenheim, & Stephanie Wehner (2010). The uncertainty principle determines the non-locality of quantum
mechanics Science 19 November 2010: Vol. 330 no. 6007 pp. 1072-1074 arXiv: 1004.2507v2
 
Thanks for all the replies. Yes, I meant local hidden variable. The story is derived more or less from the proof of Bell's theorem.
 

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