Example of a mass orbiting more massive, less luminous body?

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A more luminous, less massive body can indeed orbit a more massive, less luminous body, as demonstrated by examples like a red dwarf orbiting a white dwarf or stars orbiting a supermassive black hole. The key factor is that the more massive body must be denser, allowing it to have a lower luminosity despite its greater mass. In binary systems, if the bodies are not too close, mass exchange can be avoided, maintaining the luminosity differences. Additionally, degenerate objects like white dwarfs can be less luminous than other stars of similar mass under certain conditions. Overall, various scenarios exist where this phenomenon occurs in astrophysics.
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Hey folks, I'm trying to find out if a more luminous, less massive body can orbit a more massive, less luminous body (is this an obvious question?). Can such a thing happen? Can it happen in a binary system perhaps..?

By less massive I'd also like to know if it can mean the smaller mass being say, 10% or less of the mass of the larger mass perhaps.
 
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Well, to take an extreme case you could have a white dwarf in orbit around a black hole, in which case the black hole is more massive yet less luminous.
 
Yeah I had thought about black holes. I'd be interested in the less extreme cases such when one of the bodies is a star and the other is not a black hole. My knowledge on this kinda thing is pretty low though and all I really have to go on are luminosity equations for black bodies relating luminosity to the bodies radius and temperature.

I'm guessing it will come down to one of the bodies, the more massive one, being denser than the other while having similar temperatures..?
 
Deadstar said:
Yeah I had thought about black holes. I'd be interested in the less extreme cases such when one of the bodies is a star and the other is not a black hole. My knowledge on this kinda thing is pretty low though and all I really have to go on are luminosity equations for black bodies relating luminosity to the bodies radius and temperature.

I'm guessing it will come down to one of the bodies, the more massive one, being denser than the other while having similar temperatures..?

Only degenerate objects can be less luminous than a star of the same mass. A less dramatic example than having a black hole as the heavy part of a binary is a red dwarf orbitting a white dwarf. Given sufficient time to cool the white dwarf can be less luminous, yet hotter, than the red dwarf. They can't orbit too close together or else there'd be mass exchange between the stars and the red dwarf would end up much heavier. I suppose it's possible for a brown dwarf to gain enough mass from a red giant over-spilling onto it to become a red-dwarf.
 
All the stars in the Milky Way are more luminous and less massive than the super massive black hole at the galactic center and they all orbit it.

So, yes.
 
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