Expected value of two uniformly distributed random variables

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The discussion focuses on calculating the expected value of the minimum of two uniformly distributed random variables, X1 and X2, both defined on the interval (0,1). The cumulative distribution function for the minimum, F_Z(z), is derived using the inclusion-exclusion principle, resulting in F_Z(z) = 2z - z^2. Participants clarify that the survival function, which is 1 minus the cumulative probability, can be used to find the expected value by integrating the survival function over the interval. The final integration leads to the expected value of Z being calculated from the derived survival function. The conversation emphasizes the correct application of probability theory in this context.
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Homework Statement
##X_1## and## X_2## are uniformly distributed with parameters ##(0,1)##
then:
##E[min {X_1,X_2}]=##
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##X_1## and## X_2## are uniformly distributed random variables with parameters ##(0,1)##
then:
##E \left[ min \left\{ X_1 , X_2 \right\} \right] = ##

what should I do with that min?
 
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If ##Z = \text{min}(X_1, X_2)##, then ##Z > z## iff both ##X_1## and ##X_2## are greater than ##z##. It follows that$$P(Z > z) = P(X_1 > z)P(X_2 > z)$$You can use this to find the cumulative probability function ##F_Z(z) = P(Z<z)## in terms of ##F_{X_1}(z)## and ##F_{X_2}(z)##, the last two of which are known since we're given that ##X_1## and ##X_2## are uniformly distributed in the interval ##[0, 1]##.
 
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It should be something like this?
##f_{x_{1}} \left(z\right) = \frac 1 {b-a}##
##f_{x_{2}} \left(z\right) = \frac 1 {b-a}##
##F_{x_{1}} \left(z\right) = \frac {z-a} {b-a}##
##F_{x_{1}} \left(z\right) = \frac {z-a} {b-a}##

but, being ##a=0## and ##b=1##

##F_{x_{1}} \left(z\right) = z ##
##F_{x_{1}} \left(z\right) = z ##
so
##F_{x_{1}} \left(z\right)*F_{x_{1}} \left(z\right)=z^2##

being by definition

##E \left[x\right] = \int_a^b \left(1-F_x\left(z\right)\right) \, dz##

so i'll have to integrate

##\int_0^1 \left(1-z^2 \right ) \, dz ## is it correct?
 
Your ##F_{X_1}(z) = z## and ##F_{X_2}(z) = z## are correct, but the rest is not. Start with$$\begin{align*}P(Z > z) &= P(X_1 > z)P(X_2 > z) \\ \\ 1-F_Z(z) &= (1-F_{X_1}(z)) (1-F_{X_2}(z)) = 1 - F_{X_1}(z) - F_{X_2}(z) + F_{X_1}(z)F_{X_2}(z) \\ \\ F_Z(z) &= F_{X_1}(z) + F_{X_2}(z) - F_{X_1}(z)F_{X_2}(z) = 2z - z^2 \end{align*}$$and this last expression you might notice is a statement of the inclusion-exclusion principle.

Now you have the cumulative function ##F_Z(z)##, you can find ##\mathbb{E}(Z)## either by integrating ##1 - F_Z(z)##, which is the way you suggested, or by finding ##f_Z(z) = \frac{dF_Z(z)}{dz}## and integrating ##z f_Z(z)##.
 
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ok so the thinking is :
being ##X_1>z## and ##X_2>z##
for each of them I consider the Survival Function ##\overline{F_{x}}##, that is
##\overline{F_{x_1}}=1-F_{x_1}\left(z\right)= 1-z ## same for the other ##\overline{F_{x_2}}=1-F_{x_2}\left(z\right)= 1-z ##
and
##\overline{F_{x_{1}} \left(z\right)}*\overline{F_{x_{1}} \left(z\right)}=\left(1-z\right)*\left(1-z\right)= \left(1-z\right)^2= z^2-2z+1##

and integrate as
##\int_0^1 \left(z^2-2z+1 \right ) \, dz ##
 
I haven't come across the term 'survival function', but from how you use it I'll just assume it's 1 minus the cumulative probability. Then yes,$$\overline{F_{Z}}(z) = \overline{F_{X_1}}(z) \overline{F_{X_2}}(z) = (1-z)^2$$which you can just integrate up like$$\mathbb{E}(Z) = \int_0^1 \overline{F_{Z}}(z) dz$$
 
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Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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