Experimental physics - simplified compound pendulum formula

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The discussion revolves around deriving a formula for the period of a compound pendulum using limited introductory physics concepts. Participants are exploring relationships between the period and the distance from the center of mass to the pivot point, while acknowledging constraints due to their current level of understanding.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the distance to the pivot and the period, noting unexpected behavior in their measurements. They speculate on the form of the equation and question how to apply log linearization to their findings. There are inquiries about dimensional analysis and the implications of terms in their proposed formula.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various perspectives on the problem. Some have suggested methods for analyzing their data, while others are questioning the assumptions and forms of the terms in the proposed equation. There is no clear consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraint of not having covered inertia or torque, which limits their understanding of the underlying physics. They are also navigating the complexities of combining multiple terms in their analysis.

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Homework Statement



We've been given an assignment to work out a formula for the period time of a compound pendulum. This is right in the beginning of an introductory physics course which means we haven't covered inertia or torque yet. So we're just supposed to find an approximate relation between the period and stuff we are "supposed to" know.

To help us, we have a big, asymmetric metal plate with holes drilled in various places for pivoting, and some measuring instruments.


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The Attempt at a Solution



We did some measurements etc and found that the distance from the center of mass to the pivot point was to be our sole independent variable (for small angles, the amplitude had no impact).

When plotting the distance to the pivot and the period time, we found that it did not follow a traditional mathematical pendulum behaviour. The periodicity had a global minimum (at r = ~0.3m).

Some speculation and theorizing led us to the conclusion that as r tends to infinity, our function should tend to a mathematical pendulum, so we're probably looking for something like

2pi\sqrt{r/g} + a/r^{b}

Where a, b are positive real numbers.

We were now hinted to use log linearization to find b. Here's the problem though... I don't really understand how to do it when I have multiple terms on one side of the equation. Can anyone give me a clue?
 
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Would Dimensional Analysis help?
 
I don't think it would, we're not trying to figure out which variables to use, just what exponent to raise it to and what constant to multiply it with.
 
I was questioning the form of your second term. How should it have units of time unless you want dimensional constants but that's messy?
 
Some speculation and theorizing led us to the conclusion that as r tends to infinity, our function should tend to a mathematical pendulum, so we're probably looking for something like

As r tends to ∞ doesn't your first term tend to ∞ too?
 
rollingstein said:
As r tends to ∞ doesn't your first term tend to ∞ too?

Yes, the first term tends to inf while the second term tends to zero, i.e. term one plus term two tends to term one.
 
rollingstein said:
I was questioning the form of your second term. How should it have units of time unless you want dimensional constants but that's messy?

We'll deal with that later.
 
:/ :/
 
T=2pi\sqrt{r/g} + a/r^{b}

T - ( 2pi\sqrt{r/g} )= a/r^{b}

ln ( T - ( 2pi\sqrt{r/g} ) )= ln(a) - b* ln(r)

Plot ln ( T - ( 2pi\sqrt{r/g} ) ) versus ln(r) and use the slope and intercept?
 
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I'd just do a nonlinear numerical fit myself. Linearizing and plotting is a bit passe. :-p
 

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