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The discussion revolves around the mathematical relationship expressed as \(2 = -2\), exploring its implications and the validity of the reasoning behind it. Participants examine the foundations of this assertion, particularly in relation to square roots and complex numbers, with a focus on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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  • Some participants question the validity of the original claim \(2 = -2\), arguing that the application of mathematical rules is incorrect in this context.
  • One participant emphasizes that square roots are two-valued functions, which can lead to misunderstandings if not properly addressed.
  • Another participant points out that while \(4\) has two square roots, the notation \(\sqrt{4}\) is conventionally understood to represent only the positive root, \(2\).
  • There is a discussion about the nature of complex numbers and their relationship to real numbers, with some asserting that real numbers cannot be represented purely as complex numbers.
  • Participants express concerns about the ambiguity in the terminology surrounding square roots and the implications for mathematical proofs.

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Participants generally disagree on the validity of the original assertion and the interpretation of square roots. There are competing views on how square roots should be treated in mathematical expressions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interpretations.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of square roots and the ambiguity in terminology used in mathematics, particularly regarding multi-valued functions and their implications in complex analysis.

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Does this relationship come out anywhere interesting in math? Are there any anything interesting theories built with this at its foundations?
$$2=2*1=2*\sqrt{1}=2*\sqrt{(-1*-1)}=2*i*i=2*i^2=-2$$
 
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First of all square root does not come out of nowhere.

If y^2 = 1 then y=±(1)^(1/2). That means y is +1 or - 1.

Next i is a special complex unit in the form of (0,1) where as 1 is a real number. A REAL NUMBER CANNOT BE REPRESENTED AS PURELY COMPLEX.

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A real number system is a subset of Complex number system but the converse isn't true.I assume that this was a random post from a popular social media. The most of them are baseless, only written to attain popularity. Don't waste time on them.
 
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e-pie said:
-3=sqrt(3) x i^2 FALSE
##-\sqrt{3}## is indeed equal to ##\sqrt{3} \times i^2##

Edit: I'd failed to notice that the claimed inequivalence could rest in part on the obvious fact that 3 <> ##\sqrt{3}##. I've repaired that oversight and hope that I've now rendered the intended claim properly.

What is not true is that ##\sqrt{-1} \times \sqrt{-1}## is equal to ##\sqrt{-1 \times -1}##.
 
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square roots are two valued functions. The roots are always of opposite sign. In deriving an expression, make sure you have the right sign. Otherwise you get silly things like ##4=4##, ##\sqrt{4}=\sqrt{4}##, therefore ##2=-2##.
 
mathman said:
square roots are two valued functions.

Yikes! How many threads are there where sudents are lectured that ##y = \sqrt{x}## is a function ? (i.e. not a "multi-valued" function).

"Square root" is an example of ambiguous terminology in mathematics. "##y## is equal to the square root of ##x##" has one definition as a function. If ##x^2 = y## then ##x## is a square root of ##y## has a different definition, which describes a property of ##x##.

In complex analysis no one blinks at speaking of "the n-th roots of unity". or even "multi-valued" functions.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Yikes! How many threads are there where sudents are lectured that ##y = \sqrt{x}## is a function ? (i.e. not a "multi-valued" function).

"Square root" is an example of ambiguous terminology in mathematics. "##y## is equal to the square root of ##x##" has one definition as a function. If ##x^2 = y## then ##x## is a square root of ##y## has a different definition, which describes a property of ##x##.

In complex analysis no one blinks at speaking of "the n-th roots of unity". or even "multi-valued" functions.
You can argue about terminology, but the fact remains 4 has two square roots, 2 and -2. This is the source of many silly proofs, such as in the original post!
 
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You can argue about terminology, but the fact remains 4 has two square roots, 2 and -2.
Yes, no one disputes that, but by common agreement, the symbol ##\sqrt 4## evaluates to a single number, + 2.

The OP's question has been answered, and there are multiple threads here about this "paradox" and similar ones, so I'm closing this thread.
 

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