Explore the Hypothetical: What Happens to a Spinning Top with No Forces?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a spinning top in a hypothetical scenario where no external forces act upon it, aside from the initial force that set it in motion. Participants explore concepts related to precession, wobbling, and the conservation of angular momentum, drawing parallels to the Earth's motions and the effects of gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a spinning top would not wobble or stop in the absence of external forces, as this would violate the conservation of angular momentum.
  • Others clarify that while torque-induced precession would cease, torque-free precession (nutation) could still occur.
  • One participant notes that not all axes of rotation are stable, referencing the Tennis Racket Theorem to illustrate exceptions.
  • There is a discussion on how the precession of a spinning top is analogous to the Earth's precession, which is influenced by gravitational forces from the Sun and Moon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a spinning top would wobble or stop without external forces. While there is some agreement on the conservation of angular momentum, the implications of precession and stability of rotation axes remain contested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of forces and torques acting on the spinning top, as well as the definitions of wobbling and precession. The Tennis Racket Theorem is mentioned but not fully explored in the context of the discussion.

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A question on precession
I was just reading up about the Earth's three motions, and it was written that the 'wobbling motion' (precession) exhibited by the Earth, could be compared to that of a spinning top. Intuitively, I guessed that a spinning top wobbles because of the Earth's gravity, and I found out that the Earth's precession is a combined effect of the Sun's and Moon's gravitational pulls.
(Precession of the Earth's Axis - Home Cornell Astronomy)So my question is,
what would happen to a spinning top in a system where there are no forces acting upon it (apart from the initial force that set it rotating, of course)
Would it wobble, or would it just, stop?
 
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JackFyre said:
what would happen to a spinning top in a system where there are no forces acting upon it (apart from the initial force that set it rotating, of course)
Would it wobble, or would it just, stop?
Depends on what kind of wobble you mean. The torque induced precession would stop. But there is also a torque free precession (also called nutation).

Also note that not all axes of rotation are stable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_racket_theorem
 
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JackFyre said:
Intuitively, I guessed that a spinning top wobbles because of the Earth's gravity, and I found out that the Earth's precession is a combined effect of the Sun's and Moon's gravitational pulls.
A top precesses because there is a torque on it perpendicular to its axis of spin. The force of the surface upon which it rests is countered by gravitational pull on its center of mass which is not over the point of contact.

A planet precesses its axis of spin due to similar torque exerted by tidal forces from the sun and moon on the oblate shape of the planet which exert a torque attempting to align the spin with said external masses.

what would happen to a spinning top in a system where there are no forces acting upon it (apart from the initial force that set it rotating, of course)
Would it wobble, or would it just, stop?
It certainly wouldn't stop as that would violate conservation of angular momentum.
Most rigid shapes and stable non-rigid shapes (Earth) would just continue to spin without precession. But look at the link for the Tennis racket theorem in the prior post which illustrates the exceptions to this. In no instance is angular momentum not conserved in the absence of an external torque.
 
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