Exploring Tensors in Physics: Understanding Rank and When to Use Matrices

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In summary, tensors can have higher ranks beyond rank-4, with each rank representing the number of underlying vector spaces. Tensors are a mathematical tool rather than a physical quantity and are necessary in situations where linearity plays a role. They can also be used to represent other mathematical objects. The use of units does not affect the linearity of a tensor, but it is important to consider when solving equations using linear approximations. Tensors have a universal mapping property and can be expressed in terms of basis vectors.
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I am quite new to tensors, with my knowledge based on Daniel Fleisch’s “Student’s guide to vectors and tensors” and Neuenschwander’s “Tensor calculus for physics”. I had the following questions:

1. What are the higher rank tensors with physical meaning attached to them? I know tensors up to rank-4:
Rank-0 tensors: Scalars such as temperature etc.
Rank-1 tensors: Vectors
Rank-2 tensors: Inertia tensor, metric tensor, electromagnetic field tensor, etc.
Rank-3 tensors: Trifocal tensor
Rank-4 tensors: Riemann curvature tensor
2. (This question might not be well-formed) When are tensors necessary and when can we be satisfied with matrices (3x3, 3x3x3, 3x3x3x3)? I can understand why the tensors mentioned above – the vectors, inertia tensors, EM field tensor – should be tensors, namely to keep the tensor itself invariant upon coordinate transformation, but when would a physicist be satisfied with a matrix of numbers, without bothering about how they should transform if the coordinates are changed? I am guessing, for example, solving simultaneous equations using matrix method need not be tensors because presumably the numbers involved are without units? Would that mean that if the numbers involved were, say, pressure/unit length, we would have to make sure the matrix of numbers transforms correctly in a new coordinate system? The transformation matrix itself,
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, being without units, need not be tensors for that reason?

Thanks a lot.
 

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vibhuav said:
I am quite new to tensors, with my knowledge based on Daniel Fleisch’s “Student’s guide to vectors and tensors” and Neuenschwander’s “Tensor calculus for physics”. I had the following questions:

1. What are the higher rank tensors with physical meaning attached to them? I know tensors up to rank-4:
Rank-0 tensors: Scalars such as temperature etc.
Rank-1 tensors: Vectors
Rank-2 tensors: Inertia tensor, metric tensor, electromagnetic field tensor, etc.
Rank-3 tensors: Trifocal tensor
Rank-4 tensors: Riemann curvature tensor
As you might have recognized, the rank of a tensor reflects the number of underlying vector spaces. So whenever you deal with more vector spaces in number than four, tensors of higher ranks might play a role. As those objects cannot really be imagined, they become more and more a mathematical tool rather than an obvious physical quantity.
2. (This question might not be well-formed) When are tensors necessary and when can we be satisfied with matrices (3x3, 3x3x3, 3x3x3x3)?
A tensor is such a number scheme, nothing else. At least if it is expressed by coordinates. The same as a linear mapping is a matrix, only that tensors are multi-linear. And that's already their actual definition: multi-linearity. But you are right to distinguish matrices and linear mappings, because the former need a basis whereas the latter could be expressed otherwise, e.g. stretching by a factor two or a reflection. It's the same with tensors. As soon as we fix a basis, we have such a multi-dimensional number scheme. If we don't have such a basis, it might become difficult to describe a tensor instead. Tensor spaces have a universal mapping property which makes them so suitable for so many situations. This means, that many other mathematical objects (e.g. a bilinear algorithm, an algebra), where linearity plays a role, can be viewed as tensor spaces together with a rule, which tensors are considered equivalent.
I can understand why the tensors mentioned above – the vectors, inertia tensors, EM field tensor – should be tensors, namely to keep the tensor itself invariant upon coordinate transformation, but when would a physicist be satisfied with a matrix of numbers, without bothering about how they should transform if the coordinates are changed? I am guessing, for example, solving simultaneous equations using matrix method need not be tensors because presumably the numbers involved are without units? Would that mean that if the numbers involved were, say, pressure/unit length, we would have to make sure the matrix of numbers transforms correctly in a new coordinate system? The transformation matrix itself, View attachment 215856, being without units, need not be tensors for that reason?
You can have units or not, this is not the point. In your examples, the numbers do have units. (Multi-) Linearity is the only characteristic which is important. And the basis vectors ##\dfrac{\partial }{\partial x_i}## in your image (at least as far as I can guess) are also "units" in a way, because they measure a physical dimension (length, temperature, time, voltage, etc.). Linearity is something which is easy to calculate with, whereas non-linear equations quickly get difficult. That's why we use linear approximations like derivatives. The costs are, that they are only locally a good approximation and we have to do the calculations either in a small neighborhood of the point of interest, or find a way to compare linear approximations at different points otherwise.

Not sure, whether this will answer your question, but here is a short summary:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/what-is-a-tensor/

Edit: Corrected "dimension of vector space" to "number of vector spaces". The rank says how many arguments a tensor has, i.e. the number of vector spaces it is build from. Sorry for confusion.
 
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It will take me some time to digest it, but thanks for the reply!
 

What are tensors and why are they important in physics?

Tensors are mathematical objects that describe physical quantities in a coordinate-independent manner. They are important in physics because they allow for the description of physical phenomena in multiple dimensions and can be used to model complex systems.

What is the rank of a tensor and why is it significant?

The rank of a tensor refers to the number of indices (or dimensions) needed to describe it. It is significant because it determines the number of components needed to fully describe the tensor and how it transforms under coordinate transformations.

How are tensors related to matrices?

Tensors can be represented as multidimensional arrays, similar to matrices. However, tensors have more flexibility in terms of dimensionality and can describe physical quantities with higher complexity.

When should matrices be used instead of tensors?

Matrices should be used when dealing with linear transformations in a specific coordinate system. Tensors, on the other hand, should be used when dealing with more complex physical systems with multiple dimensions and coordinate systems.

What are some applications of tensors in physics?

Tensors have various applications in physics, including in the fields of general relativity, electromagnetism, fluid dynamics, and quantum mechanics. They are used to describe and model physical phenomena such as gravity, electromagnetic fields, and particle interactions.

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