Factorising a complicated Quadratic

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The discussion revolves around the factorization of a cubic polynomial, specifically the equation 36 - 36x + 11x² - x³ = 0. Participants explore methods for factorization and the nature of the polynomial, with a focus on understanding the roots and their implications for expressing the polynomial in factored form.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially misidentifies the cubic polynomial as a quadratic due to the presence of the x³ term.
  • Another participant suggests using the Rational Roots theorem to identify potential rational roots of the polynomial.
  • A detailed explanation of how to apply the Rational Roots theorem is provided, including the process of substituting values and narrowing down possible roots.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how finding the roots aids in the factorization process and questions the complexity of the approach.
  • A link to a Wikipedia page on polynomials is shared, which may provide additional context on polynomial properties.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to factor the polynomial, and there is ongoing confusion regarding the relevance of finding roots to the factorization process.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the clarity of the factorization process and the assumptions made about the understanding of polynomial properties. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps needed for factorization.

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Hello, I am revising eigenvalues in matrices and I've come across a part where i need to factorise the following quadratic equation; let lander = x
36-36x+11x^2-x^3 = 0
I know that the answer is (x-2)(-x^2+9x-18), but i don't know how he got to it.
Ive look through google but i can't find any information on quadratics of this type.
Thanks in advance
 
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Quadratic suggests polynomial of 2nd degree, that is one with the highest power 2. Here you have x3, so it is a cubic polynomial.
 
aaah i see, i know it = 0 however, that's probably why i haven't been able to find search results, ill have a look again, thank you
 
hhhm, I am still not finding any decent material. I will continue this in the morning.
 
can someone please go through how this is done, i can't find an easy way to do it, or any help or google
Thanks
 
You can try to use the Rational Roots theorem. If x = p/q with p and q integers that don't have any factors in common, then p will divide the constant term and q will divide the coefficient of the highest power of x.

In this case we have:

f(x) = 0

with

f(x) = x^3 - 11 x^2 + 36 x - 36


A rational zero of f thus has to be an integer that divides 36. They can thus be:

x= ±1, ±2, ±3, ±4, ±6, ±9, ±12, ±18, ±36

Since were too lazy to try out all these 18 candidates, we're going to use the following trick. Let's substitute for x some random integer r such that f(r) is some ugly number with only a few divisors. How will that help?

Consider the polynomial g(y) defined as:

g(y) = f(r+y)

We apply the Rational Roots theorem to g(y). We note that to do that you don't need to expand out f(r+y), all you need are the coefficients of y^3 and the constant term of f(1+y). The constant term is the value for y = 0, which is f(r) = ugly number with only a few divisors. The coefficient of y^3 is the same as the coefficient of x^3, so the rational roots of g(y) are those few divisors of the ugly number f(r)

Since g(y) = f(r+y), adding r to these candidates gives the possible rational roots for f.

E.g., we have that f(5) = -6. Tis means that the possible rational roots of g(y) = f(5+y) are:

y = ±1, ±2, ±3, ±6

The possible rational roots of f are thus:

x = 5+y = -1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 11

But the rational roots also have to be divisors of 36, therefore we can strike out any items in the list that are not divisors of 36, leaving us with:

x = -1, 2, 3, 4, 6,

If we try f(-1), we see that f(-1) = -84. If we then take r = -1 and play the same game as above, we see that the list of candidates is reduced to:

x = 2, 3, 6

These are in fact the three roots of f.
 
okay, thanks for the reply, but how does knowing the roots help me in factoring the expression.
What i am trying to do is but it into two brackets.
Sorry if i sound stupid, but I am not seeing as too how this helps. X can be treated as any value when i put it into brackets, so why am i finding the roots? that was all way too complicated for me I am afraid.
 

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