Finding the Force Applied by a Support on a Falling Chain

In summary, the conversation discusses the problem of finding the force that a support applies to a chain, which is held in a specific position and then released. Various approaches are suggested, including using conservation of energy and considering the center of mass of the chain. Ultimately, it is suggested to consider the change in momentum of an element mass in a small interval of time.
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A chain with length L and mass density σ kg/m is held in the position
shown in Fig. 5.28, with one end attached to a support. Assume that
only a negligible length of the chain starts out below the support. The
chain is released. Find the force that the support applies to the chain, as
a function of time.

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I am trying hard to see how the things work here. Try by conservation of energy is, to me, wrong.
I think the support's force need to stop the falling part and yet bear the weight of the fallen part.
To show my vision:
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this elementar mass at y fall actually twice y to come to rest.
It falls y in gt²2

So N = W + F = σyg + σv². But this seems wrong.
 
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An idea; in a time ##t##, the chain falls down a distance ##\frac{1}{2}gt^2##. The two loops at the bottom each have a height of ##\frac{1}{4}gt^2##.

If you can work out the centre of mass ##\bar{y}## of the whole chain in terms of ##t##, then you can set ##m\frac{d^2 \bar{y}}{dt^2}## equal to the net external force on the whole chain :wink:.
 
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@etotheipi's approach is neat.
A more elementary way is to consider time t and a further interval dt. In dt, an element mass dm (you can express dm in terms of g, t, dt, and ##\sigma##) comes to a halt from speed gt. What change of momentum does that represent?
 
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1. What is the force applied by a support on a falling chain?

The force applied by a support on a falling chain is the upward force exerted by the support to counteract the weight of the chain pulling downwards. This force is also known as the tension force.

2. How is the force applied by a support on a falling chain calculated?

The force applied by a support on a falling chain can be calculated using Newton's Second Law of Motion, which states that force is equal to mass multiplied by acceleration (F=ma). In this case, the mass of the chain is the weight of the chain, and the acceleration is the acceleration due to gravity (9.8 m/s²).

3. What factors affect the force applied by a support on a falling chain?

The force applied by a support on a falling chain is affected by the weight of the chain, the acceleration due to gravity, and the angle at which the chain is falling. The type and strength of the support also play a role in determining the force applied.

4. Can the force applied by a support on a falling chain change?

Yes, the force applied by a support on a falling chain can change depending on the factors mentioned above. If the weight of the chain, acceleration due to gravity, or angle of the chain changes, the force applied by the support will also change.

5. Why is it important to know the force applied by a support on a falling chain?

Knowing the force applied by a support on a falling chain is important for understanding the dynamics of the chain and ensuring the support is strong enough to withstand the force. It can also be used in engineering and construction to determine the necessary support and materials needed for a safe and stable structure.

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