Fast Way to Find System Poles Without a Calculator?

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The discussion centers on finding the poles of the transfer function G(s) = 30 / ((s^2 + 6s + 20)(s + 2)(s + 13)) without using a calculator. The user identifies two poles at -2 and -13 but seeks a quicker method for the quadratic component. While the quadratic formula is the standard approach, a suggestion to halve the "b" term (6s) to find the real part of the roots is discussed, though it is clarified that this method is not accurate for determining poles. The real component of the complex roots is essential for identifying dominant poles in control systems.

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Hey, I was wondering if there is a fast way to find the poles of a system - not using a calculator.

For example,

[tex]G(s) = \frac {30}{(s^2 + 6s + 20)(s + 2)(s + 13)}[/tex]

I know two poles right off the bat: -2 and -13, but is there a way to get the poles from the quadratic quickly? Besides the using the quadratic equation, I mean.

I don't think there is, but for some reason I thought I saw someone taking the "b" term, in this example 6s, and halving it. So the pole would be 3. I don't think this is right, is it?

Thanks.
 
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It's been a really long time since doing controls work for me. However, other than the quadratic formula, your idea of halving the b term seemed to give you the real component of the roots (they are complex roots). You would have to change the sign on the real part as well.
 
Well for what I am interested in, I only need the real term. The imaginary part doesn't play a role in figuring out if a system has dominant poles.

Thank you for answering, this will save me much time. :smile:
 

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