How does Fermat's principle explain the shape of a lens in Feynman's derivation?

In summary, the conversation discusses the problem of understanding Feynman's derivation of a lens' shape using Fermat's principle. The main concern is how we can be sure that light chooses the shortest path from source to focal point when there may be other possible paths. Some argue that Fermat's principle is a revolutionary concept that predicts both relativity and quantum mechanics, while others see it as simply a shortcut to obtaining the correct answers. Ultimately, the perspective on the nature of physics determines how one views Fermat's principle.
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I have a problem in understanding Feynman's derivation of a lens' shape using Fermat's principle. Feynman writes that we have to choose such a surface of the lens that all optical ways from the source S to the focal point F will have the same length (so all will be taken by the traveling light). However, how do we know that the light chooses its path so as to minimize the distance from S to F and not to another point G, or any other point? When Feynman derives Snell's law while source and target points are fized, it's OK, bu here tHe light doesn't "know" that there is a focal point, it could go anywhere (i.e. destination point is not fixed in any way). So I don't see how we can use Fermat principle here.
 
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The same way water 'knows' to flow down hill or electricty 'knows' to flow through the lowest resistance.
Fermat's principle is either the greatest idea in physics - in a way it pre-invented both relativity and quantum mechanics, or it's just a convenient short cut to get the right answers.
It depends on your philosphical veiw of the nature of physics really.
 
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Fermat's principle states that light will take the path that minimizes the travel time between two points. In the case of a lens, the source point S and the focal point F are fixed points, so the light will naturally choose the path that minimizes the distance between these two points. This is because the light travels at a constant speed, so minimizing the travel time also minimizes the distance traveled.

In Feynman's derivation, he is showing that for a lens to focus light at a single point (the focal point), the surface of the lens must be shaped in a specific way. This shape is chosen in such a way that all possible paths from the source to the focal point have the same length, ensuring that the light will be focused at the focal point. This is a consequence of Fermat's principle, as the shortest path between two points is a straight line.

It is important to note that Fermat's principle does not require the light to "know" anything about the destination point. Rather, it is a fundamental principle that describes the behavior of light in a given medium. In the case of a lens, the shape of the lens is determined by the requirement that all possible paths from the source to the focal point have the same length, thus ensuring that the light will be focused at the focal point.
 

1. What is Fermat's principle?

Fermat's principle is a fundamental concept in optics that states that light follows the path of least time when traveling through a medium.

2. How does Fermat's principle apply to lenses?

In the context of lenses, Fermat's principle explains the path that light takes as it travels through a lens, from the object to the image. It states that the light will follow the path that takes the least amount of time, which is known as the "optical path." This path is also known as the "optical length" or "optical distance."

3. What is refraction and how does it relate to Fermat's principle?

Refraction is the bending of light as it passes through a medium with a different optical density. This phenomenon is explained by Fermat's principle, as light will take the path that minimizes the time it takes to travel through the medium, resulting in a change in direction.

4. How does Fermat's principle explain the behavior of different types of lenses?

Fermat's principle can be used to explain the behavior of both convex and concave lenses. In a convex lens, light rays passing through the center of the lens will travel the shortest distance and therefore take the least amount of time, resulting in a focused image. In a concave lens, light rays passing through the edges of the lens will travel a shorter distance, taking the least amount of time, resulting in a diverging image.

5. Are there any exceptions to Fermat's principle when it comes to lenses?

While Fermat's principle is a fundamental concept in optics, there are some exceptions to its application in lenses. For example, when dealing with thick lenses or lenses with a complex shape, other factors such as spherical and chromatic aberration can affect the path of light and may not always follow the path of least time as predicted by Fermat's principle.

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