Feynman Lectures vol.1 Chapter 4 Topic 4-2GravitationalPotentialEnergy

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The discussion revolves around the concepts presented in Chapter 4, Topic 4-2 of the Feynman Lectures, specifically focusing on gravitational potential energy and the mechanics of weight-lifting machines. Participants seek clarification on the principles of energy conservation, perpetual motion, and the operation of simple machines like levers and pulleys.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the explanation of weight-lifting machines and the concept of perpetual motion as related to the conservation of energy.
  • Another participant questions how a weight-lifting machine can lift one weight by lowering another, seeking a simpler explanation of the mechanics involved.
  • Some participants suggest that levers and pulleys can illustrate how one weight can lift another by lowering, but the mechanics remain unclear to others.
  • There is a request for straightforward answers to specific questions about the text, indicating ongoing confusion among participants.
  • A later reply acknowledges that understanding the relationship between weight and height in terms of gravitational potential energy is crucial, suggesting some progress in comprehension.

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Participants generally express confusion and seek clarification, indicating that multiple views and interpretations exist regarding the concepts discussed. There is no consensus on the understanding of the material, as some participants feel they are beginning to grasp the ideas while others remain uncertain.

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Participants highlight the need for clearer explanations of the principles of energy conservation and the mechanics of weight-lifting machines, indicating that some assumptions and definitions may not be fully understood. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and levels of understanding of the topic.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in understanding gravitational potential energy, the mechanics of simple machines, and the principles of energy conservation as presented in Feynman's Lectures.

Rishabh Narula
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Could anyone explain me in simple words what is being said in this topic from this book (great book and author btw)...
i don't understand after it starts talking about perpetual motion and lifting and lowering of weights.please explain in simple words.
okay someone said to add more details to my question since it wasn't clear what i was asking.
so i got confused at this point-
"Consider weight-lifting machines—machines which have the property that
they lift one weight by lowering another. Let us also make a hypothesis: that
there is no such thing as perpetual motion with these weight-lifting machines. (In
fact, that there is no perpetual motion at all is a general statement of the law of
conservation of energy.) We must be careful to define perpetual motion. First,
let us do it for weight-lifting machines. If, when we have lifted and lowered a lot
of weights and restored the machine to the original condition, we find that the
net result is to have lifted a weight, then we have a perpetual motion machine
because we can use that lifted weight to run something else."
umm like how exactly weight lifting machine lift one weight by lowering another.and what does that line mean that no perpetual motion at all is a general statement of the law of conservation of energy.im also confused by the last four lines and the whole topic that follows...can't seem to visualize what is being said...so if anyone can say the whole thing in this topic in simpler words or help me visualize it would be of great help.

im also a bit more confused by the next para-

"
A very simple weight-lifting machine is shown in Fig. 4-1. This machine lifts
weights three units “strong.” We place three units on one balance pan, and one
unit on the other. However, in order to get it actually to work, we must lift a
little weight off the left pan. On the other hand, we could lift a one-unit weight
by lowering the three-unit weight, if we cheat a little by lifting a little weight
off the other pan. Of course, we realize that with any actual lifting machine, we
must add a little extra to get it to run. This we disregard, temporarily. Ideal
machines, although they do not exist, do not require anything extra. A machine
that we actually use can be, in a sense, almost reversible: that is, if it will lift
the weight of three by lowering a weight of one, then it will also lift nearly the
weight of one the same amount by lowering the weight of three. "

why would you need to lift a little weight off the left pan?wouldn't the machine lift the right side(with one unit) up as soon as you placed 3 units on the left side?also what does the last four lines here mean again?how will you lift a weight of 3 by lowering a weight of one?how can one weight on one side make 3 weights on the other side go up?
 
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What is precisely your question? I consider Feynman's Lectures some of the best-written textbooks. So I don't know, how to reformulate it in "simple words".
 
vanhees71 said:
What is precisely your question? I consider Feynman's Lectures some of the best-written textbooks. So I don't know, how to reformulate it in "simple words".
hey okay i did add some details...is it answerable now.i'll add more later.
 
Rishabh Narula said:
hey okay i did add some details...is it answerable now.i'll add more later.

You can't copy just that. He explained a bit more in detailed in several paragraphs following that, even in the form of an example.

http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/I_04.html
Zz.
 
Rishabh Narula said:
how exactly weight lifting machine lift one weight by lowering another
A lever allows you to lift one weight by lowering another. Similarly with a pulley, if you attach two weights by a pulley then lowering one weight can lift the other.
 
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Dale said:
A lever allows you to lift one weight by lowering another. Similarly with a pulley, if you attach two weights by a pulley then lowering one weight can lift the other.
okay thanks that solves atleast one doubt here.
 
Hey can someone please answer the questions i asked...im still pretty confused with this whole thing...i can move on but if someone could answer them straight forward it would be great. :3
 
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okay so i read more and i think i get the gist now...that weight of balls times height lifted or lowered remains constant i.e the gravitational potential energy...right,right? anyways moving forward now... :3
 

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