Field Infinites when distance is zero

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In summary, the conversation discusses the equation for force from electric fields or gravity, which is taught in high school and is proportional to the distance squared. However, it is noted that in practice, the point mass/charge does not actually exist and the electric force can break down to the weak force, while gravity may not be a force at all. The speaker suggests that the real function may be closer to 1/(arctan(constant/distance)^2, as this makes more sense to them. They explain that this is because if gravitons spontaneously come into existence at the point mass and travel at the speed of light in random directions, as you get closer to the mass, you cannot be hit by more than all of the
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So in high school we are taught the equation for force from electric fields or gravity is proportional to the distance squared. This implies that this force can become arbitrarily high as you approach closer to the point mass/charge.

In practice I realize that the point mass/charge does not exist, the electric force breaks down to the weak force and gravity may not be a force at all.

I always assumed that the real function is closer to a 1/(arctan(constant/distance)^2, just because that made more sense in my head. Basically if "gravitons" spontaneously come into existence at the point mass heading in a random direction at the speed of light from time to time then one would expect that as you get closer you cannot be hit by more than all of the gravitons and only a finite amount are sent out in a finite amount of time thus there are no infinites.

I have never read anywhere about whether this is true or not. Do we believe that the electric/gravitational force should behave more like 1/arctan^2 or more like 1/x^2.
 
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Thank you.
 
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Why would the force become arbitrarily high? Whats the equation for it and what scale for distance would you use?
 
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The concept of field infinites when distance is zero is a common misconception. In reality, the force between two objects is not infinite at zero distance, but rather becomes undefined. This is because the equations for electric and gravitational force rely on the concept of a point mass or point charge, which do not exist in reality.

As you mentioned, at very small distances, the effects of the weak force and other fundamental forces come into play, making the concept of a point mass or charge even less applicable. Therefore, it is not accurate to assume that the force between two objects will behave like 1/x^2 or 1/(arctan(constant/distance)^2).

In the field of physics, we use mathematical models and equations to describe and predict the behavior of objects and forces. These models are constantly being refined and updated as we gain more knowledge and understanding of the physical world. So while it may be helpful to think of the force behaving like 1/(arctan(constant/distance)^2) in your mind, it is important to rely on the established equations and theories in our current understanding of physics.

In summary, the concept of field infinites when distance is zero is not accurate and is based on a simplified model that does not accurately reflect the complexities of reality. As scientists, it is important to continue questioning and refining our understanding of the physical world, but we must also rely on established theories and equations in our current understanding of physics.
 

1. What are field infinites?

Field infinites refer to the values of a physical field, such as electric or magnetic fields, at a specific point in space. These values can be calculated using mathematical equations and are necessary for understanding the behavior of these fields.

2. How is distance related to field infinites?

Distance is a crucial factor in determining the values of field infinites. As distance decreases, the values of field infinites tend to increase, and as distance increases, the values of field infinites tend to decrease. At a distance of zero, the field infinites are at their maximum or minimum values, depending on the specific field being studied.

3. Why is it important to study field infinites when distance is zero?

Studying field infinites at a distance of zero is essential for understanding the behavior of fields in extreme conditions, such as at the center of a charged particle or at the singularity of a black hole. It also allows scientists to make accurate predictions and calculations for practical applications, such as in electronic devices.

4. Can field infinites ever truly be zero?

No, field infinites can never truly be zero. This is because, at a distance of zero, the values of field infinites are either at their maximum or minimum values, but they are never exactly zero. This is due to the nature of mathematical equations and the fact that distance can never truly be zero in physical space.

5. How are field infinites affected by the properties of the source?

The properties of the source, such as the magnitude of its charge or its mass, directly impact the values of field infinites at a distance of zero. The stronger the source, the higher the values of field infinites will be. This relationship is described by mathematical equations, which allow scientists to make predictions and calculations for various scenarios.

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