Figuring out formula from looking at name

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The discussion revolves around understanding how to derive chemical formulas from the names of compounds, specifically focusing on aluminum sulfate. Participants explore the relationship between the names of compounds and their chemical formulas, as well as the importance of memorizing certain chemical names and their corresponding formulas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine the formula of aluminum sulfate from its name, suggesting that chemistry problems assume prior knowledge of such relationships.
  • Another participant explains that aluminum ions have a charge of Al3+ and sulfate has a charge of (SO4)2-, leading to a neutral compound formed in a 2:3 ratio.
  • Further contributions emphasize the need to remember the charges of ions and the names of common compounds, suggesting that memorization aids in understanding chemistry.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a comprehensive list of common chemical names and formulas for study purposes.
  • There is a mention of charged molecules and a distinction made between cations (positive ions) and anions (negative ions), with some participants noting the relevance of these terms in the context of the discussion.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of memorizing chemical names and formulas, but there is no consensus on a definitive method for deriving formulas solely from names. The discussion includes multiple perspectives on the necessity of memorization and the role of charge balancing in forming compounds.

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Some participants reference the need to memorize various chemical names and their formulas, indicating that this knowledge is foundational for understanding chemistry. There are also mentions of specific examples and the potential for confusion regarding charged versus uncharged molecules.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying chemistry, particularly those looking to improve their understanding of chemical nomenclature and the relationships between compound names and formulas.

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For example, is there any way to know that aluminum sulfate has the formula of Al2(SO4)3 just by looking at the name "Aluminum Sulfate"? It seems like while doing chemistry problems, the problems kind of assume you can do that.

Thanks.
 
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Well, aluminium ions are Al3+ and sulfate is (SO4)2-. So the only way to combine them and get something neutral back, is in the ratio 2 : 3.
 
Right, so Al2 makes it now a +6 charge and (SO4)3 will have a -6 charge. But you do in fact need to remember Al is Aluminum and SO4 is Sulfate. But as far as the charges, we were always allowed to look at the periodic table for those. We had a whole week where we just memorized different things like carbon dioxide, water, methane, ethane, oxalate, sulfate, sulfite, etc. If you weren't required to do so I would suggest doing it anyways, it makes chem WAY easier.
 
Thanks for the responses guys.
We had a whole week where we just memorized different things like carbon dioxide, water, methane, ethane, oxalate, sulfate, sulfite, etc. If you weren't required to do so I would suggest doing it anyways, it makes chem WAY easier.
Is there like a list of all of them somewhere for me to study? What are they called? I'll go look it up.
I do need to learn that stuff, because when I see "sulfate" all I know is it's sulfur.
 


I didn't actually watch this video lol, but I am sure it will be helpful. If not, basically everything you need to remember is on the board behind him. Except I don't think methane was on his list, which is CH4. If you need any more help just ask.
 
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Awesome, thanks. This forum is making me more and more un-retarded every day.
 
Yeah no lie, I'm going to ask so many math questions when i get to precalc (I suck at math) although this college algebra stuff is easy so far.
 
I wrote all of those down, but I noticed they're all charged molecules. Is there a reason for that? You mentioned methane isn't on the list, and since it's not charged, maybe that's why.
 
leroyjenkens said:
charged molecules

They are called ions :wink:

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Yes they are but remember a lot of times you have to combine them with ions and anions and balance them out. Also what borek says is correct but I believe many of them have negative charges too (anions).
 
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Entropee said:
Also what borek says is correct but I believe many of them have negative charges too (anions).

Just to clear things up... Ions with a positive charge are called cations and ions with a negative charge are called anions (As you rightly said).

:)
 
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Ah yes forgive me, I forgot they were called cations, been a while now.
 

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