Final speed of ball : collision with vertical plank at top

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The discussion revolves around the application of conservation laws in a collision problem involving a ball and a vertical plank. The participant has derived equations related to momentum and angular momentum but questions the validity of their equations, particularly regarding the forces at the pivot. It is clarified that for conservation of angular momentum, the pivot must be used as the axis of rotation to ignore horizontal forces. The conversation emphasizes the importance of selecting the appropriate axis of rotation for solving such problems. Understanding these principles enhances the participant's problem-solving skills in physics.
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I have solved the first part already.
For the 2nd part, I am writing the relevant eqns.

Can I take motion of the plank as a pure rotation about the pivot ?
Quantities corresponding to pivot is subscripted by p.
Conservation of momentum gives,
## mv_0 =mv_f + MV_f ## (1)
Conservation of Angular momentum about the pivot gives,
##2mv_0 l = 2mv_f l+ [ I_p \omega_p = I_{cen} \omega_{cen} + MV_f R] ~~~~~~(2)
\\ \omega_p = \omega_{cen} = V_f/l ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(3)
\\ mv_0 = mv_f + \frac { 2MV_f } 3 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(4) ## which contradicts eqn. (1)

Conservation of kinetic energy,
## \frac 1 2 m v_0^2 = \frac 1 2 m v_f^2 + [\frac 1 2 I_{p} ω^2 = \frac 1 2 I_{cen} ω^2 + \frac 1 2 M V_f^2] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(5)##

Are these equations correct?
 
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I think eq (1) is not correct as the pivot may exist force in horizontal direction,too.
 
Pushoam said:
I think eq (1) is not correct as the pivot may exist force in horizontal direction,too.
Quite so. Likewise, to be able to ignore this for conservation of angular momentum you must use the pivot as the axis.

(You mean "exert".)
 
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haruspex said:
Likewise, to be able to ignore this for conservation of angular momentum you must use the pivot as the axis.

Thanks for giving a reason for this "must". I was looking for it.This adds to my intelligence of selecting proper axis of rotation for a given problem.
 
haruspex said:
(You mean "exert".)
Yes.
 
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