Find atomic number from spectral lines

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The problem involves determining the constant A and identifying an atom based on spectral lines corresponding to energy levels of an atom or ion with one electron. The wavelengths of two neighboring spectral lines are provided, and the context suggests a focus on hydrogen-like atoms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the potential identification of the atom as either Hydrogen or Li++. There is uncertainty about the specific transitions being considered for Li++. Some participants suggest using the deBroglie relation and the Rydberg formula to analyze the problem further.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to find the constant A and identify the atom. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the Rydberg formula, but no consensus has been reached on the specific method to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the charge of the nucleus in determining the energy levels for hydrogen-like atoms, indicating that A will differ for Li++ compared to Hydrogen. There is also mention of the complexity of the resulting equations when applying the Rydberg formula.

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Homework Statement


An atom or ion with one electron has energy levels E_n=-A/n^2. Tw neighboring lines in its spectrum at room temperature have wavelengths \lambda_1=97.5 nm and \lambda_2=102.8 nm. (Note that hc=1.240\times 10^{-6} eV m).

(a)What is the constant A?
(b) Identify the atom.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I know that it must be either Hydrogen (line n=3 and n=4 of the Lyman series) or Li++ (which should have frequencies very close to those of the Hydrogen. However, this is a guess and I don't know how to actually prove that.

Any idea?
 
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Einj said:
I know that it must be either Hydrogen (line n=3 and n=4 of the Lyman series) or Li++ (which should have frequencies very close to those of the Hydrogen.
Which transition in Li2+ are you considering?
 
Actually I don't know. I suppose the same ones, but I'm not sure at all.
 
To find A, did you consider using the deBroglie relation?
 
Einj said:
Actually I don't know. I suppose the same ones, but I'm not sure at all.

Do you know the formula that gives the energy levels of hydrogenic atoms?
 
DrClaude said:
Do you know the formula that gives the energy levels of hydrogenic atoms?
It is written in the text of the problem. It's the same but with A=13.6 eV.
 
Einj said:
It is written in the text of the problem. It's the same but with A=13.6 eV.
No it's not. ##A = 13.6\ \mathrm{eV}## for hydrogen, but not for Li2+. You have a nucleus with three times the charge: surely the Coulomb attraction must be greater.
 
You are right. We have an extra factor of Z^2 for Hydrogen-like atoms. However, I don't think this solve the problem. What do you suggest?
 
I would write the Rydberg formula for each transition, take the difference between the two, and see if, with the value of ##A## for an atom other than hydrogen, it is possible to get two consecutive levels ##n## and ##n+1## to produce those wavelengths.
 
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That's probably the best thing to do. The point is that you end up with a cubic equation in n, which is quite horrible. However, in principle is exactly solvable so it is probably the right answer. :D
 

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