Find dy/dx of radical expression

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the expression \( x + \sqrt{x} \) using the definition of a derivative, specifically without applying derivative rules. Participants are exploring the limit definition and addressing the challenges posed by the radical component.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss manipulating the limit expression to simplify the calculation, particularly focusing on how to handle the radical term. There are considerations about using conjugates and separating the radical part from the linear term.

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The conversation is active, with participants sharing their thought processes and approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of conjugates and the separation of terms, but no consensus on a final solution has been reached yet.

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Participants are constrained by the requirement to use the definition of a derivative without applying standard derivative rules, which influences their approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


[tex]\frac{d}{dx} x+\sqrt{x}[/tex]
Using the definition of a derivative, no rules allowed.

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The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]\frac{d}{dx} x+\sqrt{x}[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{h\to0} \frac{(x+h)+\sqrt{x+h}-x-\sqrt{x}}{h}[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{h\to0} \frac{(x+h)+\sqrt{x+h}-x-\sqrt{x}}{h}[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{h\to0} \frac{h+\sqrt{x+h}-\sqrt{x}}{h}[/tex]

Not sure how to go about canceling out that h in the denominator before taking the limit. If there were two expressions on the top, then multiplying in a conjugate usually works, but I'm not sure what to do next?

My guess is to arrange it so that it's 1+(root(x+h)-root(x))/h and then put the conjugate into the right side. Trying that now
 
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Multiply the numerator and denominator with

[tex]h+\sqrt{x+h}+\sqrt{x}[/tex]
 
Ah, I was thinking that would only fork for a binomial. I'll give that a shot if this doesn't work out.
 
Well, this is a binomial: [itex](h+\sqrt{x+h})-\sqrt{x}[/tex]... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin :biggrin:" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":biggrin:" />[/itex]
 
Yeah, I see that now. Lesson learned.
 
I would consider the radical part seprately
[tex]\lim_{h\to0} \frac{h+\sqrt{x+h}-\sqrt{x}}{h}[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{h\to0} \frac{h}{h} + \frac{\sqrt{x+h}-\sqrt{x}}{h}[/tex]

then multiply the radical part by
[tex]1= \frac{\sqrt{x+h}+\sqrt{x}}{\sqrt{x+h}+\sqrt{x}}[/tex]

this is the same as calculating the derivative fo x & sqrt(x) separately
 
Okay, I am trying to handle it the 1+blah/blah method.

[tex]\lim_{h\to0} \frac{h+\sqrt{x+h}-\sqrt{x}}{h}[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{h\to0} 1+\frac{\sqrt{x+h}-\sqrt{x}(\sqrt{x+h}+\sqrt{x})}{h(\sqrt{x+h}+\sqrt{x})}[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{h\to0} 1+ \frac{x+h-x}{h(\sqrt{x+h}+\sqrt{x})}[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{h\to0} 1+ \frac{h}{h(\sqrt{x+h}+\sqrt{x})}[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{h\to0} 1+ \frac{1}{(\sqrt{x+h}+\sqrt{x})}[/tex]

So now I am guessing it's about time to take the limit,
Making the derivative something like:
[tex]f'(x) = 1+ \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}}[/tex]

Look good?
 
Looks good to me.
 
This is perfect, quark!

Just, watch out with your notation:

QuarkCharmer said:
[tex]\lim_{h\to0} 1+\frac{\sqrt{x+h}-\sqrt{x}(\sqrt{x+h}+\sqrt{x})}{h(\sqrt{x+h}+\sqrt{x})}[/tex]
 
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Ah, forgot a parenthesis there. On my paper it's correct! I am horrible with latex once the lines get longer than 20 characters.

Thanks for the help yet again!
 

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