Find locus of points near ellipse with some condition

issacnewton
Messages
1,035
Reaction score
37

Homework Statement


Given an ellipse ##\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 1## , where ##a \ne b##, find the equation of the set of all points from which there are two tangents to the curve whose slopes are (a) reciprocals and (b) negative reciprocals

Homework Equations


Equation of a tangent to an ellipse at a point ##(x_o, y_o)## is ##\frac{x x_o}{a^2} + \frac{y y_o}{b^2}=1##

The Attempt at a Solution


Here is my attempt for the solution for (a). Let ##(h,k)## be the point from where we will have the two tangents to the ellipse ##\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 1##. Let these two tangents meet the ellipse at points ##(x_1,y_1)## and ##(x_2, y_2)##. So the equations of these tangents are ##\frac{x x_1}{a^2} + \frac{y y_1}{b^2}=1## and ##\frac{x x_2}{a^2} + \frac{y y_2}{b^2}=1##. Now ##(h,k)## lies on these tangents. So we must have ##\frac{h x_1}{a^2} + \frac{k y_1}{b^2}=1## and ##\frac{h x_2}{a^2} + \frac{k y_2}{b^2}=1##. Also the slopes of these tangents are ##m_1 = -\left( \frac{b^2 x_1}{a^2 y_1} \right)## and ##m_2 = -\left( \frac{b^2 x_2}{a^2 y_2} \right)##. Since the product of the slopes is 1, we must have $$\left( \frac{b^2 x_1}{a^2 y_1} \right)\left( \frac{b^2 x_2}{a^2 y_2} \right) = 1\cdots\cdots(1)$$ Also the points ##(x_1, y_1)## and ##(x_2, y_2)## lie on the ellipse, so they satisfy the equation of the ellipse $$\frac{x_1^2}{a^2} + \frac{y_1^2}{b^2} = 1\cdots\cdots(2)$$
$$\frac{x_2^2}{a^2} + \frac{y_2^2}{b^2} = 1\cdots\cdots(3)$$ After this I did lot of algebra and tried to get an equation involving only ##h,k,a,b## , but I am unable to eliminate the variables ##x_1,y_1,x_2,y_2##. I think at this point I have all the information I need to solve this problem. Any hints to further this problem will be helpful.
Thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
IssacNewton said:
I am unable to eliminate the variables ##x_1,y_1,x_2,y_2##.
You have five equations, so you should in principle be able to eliminate those vars and have the one equation left.
I tried substituting y1=b sin(θ1) etc. It made the algebra a lot easier, but I just ended up with the problem of eliminating the two angles.
 
Ok, Haruspex I will try to use angles and see if I can get any improvement.
 
IssacNewton said:
Ok, Haruspex I will try to use angles and see if I can get any improvement.
For what it's worth, my guess is rectangular hyperbola.
 
Ok, I found the solution and I am presenting here. Ellipse is ##\frac{x^2}{a^2}+\frac{y^2}{b^2}=1##. Let the tangent to ellipse be ##y = mx+c##. At the point of intersection, both of these equations must be satisfied. So we have ##\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{(mx+c)^2}{b^2}=1##. This can be simplified as $$(b^2 + m^2a^2)x^2 + (2mca^2)x + (a^2c^2 - a^2b^2) = 0\cdots\cdots(1)$$ Now tangent touches at a single point to the ellipse, so roots of the above quadratic equation can not be distinct. Fo this to happen, we must have discriminant equal to ##0##. So we have $$(2mca^2)^2 - 4(b^2 + m^2a^2)(a^2c^2- a^2b^2)=0 \cdots\cdots(2)$$ Simplifying this, we have ##c^2 = b^2 + m^2a^2##. Now let ##(h,k)## be an external point to the ellipse from where we draw the tangent. So ##(h,k)## must lie on the line ##y = mx+c##. Therefore ##k = mh+c##. This leads to $$(k-mh)^2 = c^2 = b^2+m^2a^2 $$ Expanding, we get $$ (h^2- a^2)m^2 - 2mhk + (k^2 - b^2) = 0$$ This is a quadratic equation in ##m##, since we have two tangents from an external point to this ellipse. Now from the theory of quadratic equations, the product of roots is given by $$m_1m_2 = \frac{k^2 - b^2}{h^2 - a^2}$$ Now in part (a), this product is equal to 1. This leads us to ##h^2 - k^2 = a^2 - b^2##. So the locus of points here is ##x^2 - y^2 = a^2 - b^2##, which is a hyperbola. For part (b), the product is equal to -1, which leads to ##h^2 + k^2 = a^2 + b^2##. So the locus of points here is ##x^2 + y^2 = a^2 + b^2##. This is a circle. I found a question on stack exchange which helped me solve this problem. Here is the Link

Thanks
 
IssacNewton said:
which is a hyperbola
in particular, a rectangular hyperbola
 
There are two things I don't understand about this problem. First, when finding the nth root of a number, there should in theory be n solutions. However, the formula produces n+1 roots. Here is how. The first root is simply ##\left(r\right)^{\left(\frac{1}{n}\right)}##. Then you multiply this first root by n additional expressions given by the formula, as you go through k=0,1,...n-1. So you end up with n+1 roots, which cannot be correct. Let me illustrate what I mean. For this...
Back
Top