Find the change in the time required, if acceleration increases by the differential amount 'da'

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between acceleration and time in a kinematic context, specifically how a differential change in acceleration affects the time required for an object to reach a certain velocity. The original poster reformulates a problem initially about power into one concerning acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of time with respect to acceleration and question the appropriateness of their methods. There is an attempt to clarify the relationship between acceleration and time, with some participants suggesting that the original poster should focus on how time (T) is a function of acceleration (a).

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, with some participants providing guidance on the correct variables to differentiate. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the implications of changes in acceleration and power on final velocity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion between the variables t and T, which may affect their reasoning. The original problem context regarding power is acknowledged but not fully resolved in the current discussion.

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Homework Statement
A runner accelerates from rest through a measured track distance in time ##T## with acceleration ##a## (constant). If runner was to increase his acceleration by differential amount ##da##, what is the change in the time required for the run?
Relevant Equations
##a = \frac{dv}{dt}##
According to the problem statement: $$a = \frac{dv}{dt} = const \implies dt = \frac{dv}{a} \implies \int_{0}^{T} \,dt = \frac{1}{a} \int_{0}^{v_f} \,dv \implies T = \frac{v_f}{a}$$ Now, the distance covered is given by, $$L = \int_{0}^{T} v \,dt \implies L = \frac{1}{a} \int_{0}^{v_f} v \,dv \implies L = \frac{v_f^2}{2a} \implies L = \frac{a}{2} \frac{v_f^2}{a^2} \implies L = \frac{aT^2}{2} \implies 2L = aT^2 = const$$ Differentiating, $$0 = \frac{da}{dT}T^2 + 2aT \implies T^2 da+ 2 a T dT = 0 \implies -T da = 2 a dT \implies dT = - \frac{T}{2a} da$$ Now, I would like to know if this is correct and obviously, the object would end up with a higher velocity at the end (after the increase of ##da##), right? The actual problem was about power, but I reformulated it. Now, for the sake of it, let's say that it was power instead of acceleration. It would also mean a higher velocity at the end (after the increase of ##dP##), right?
 
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Heisenberg7 said:
Differentiating, $$0 = \frac{da}{dt}t^2 + 2at \implies t^2 da+ 2 a t dt = 0 \implies -t da = 2 a dt \implies dt = - \frac{t}{2a} da$$
Why are you differentiating wrt t? The question is how a change in a affects T (not t). So you need to find T as a function of a.
 
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haruspex said:
Why are you differentiating wrt t? The question is how a change in a affects T (not t). So you need to find T as a function of a.
Oops, my bad. It should indeed be ##T## instead of ##t##. Anyway, could you answer my 2 questions:

Now, I would like to know if this is correct and obviously, the object would end up with a higher velocity at the end (after the increase of 𝑑𝑎), right? The actual problem was about power, but I reformulated it. Now, for the sake of it, let's say that it was power instead of acceleration. It would also mean a higher velocity at the end (after the increase of 𝑑𝑃), right?
 
Heisenberg7 said:
Oops, my bad. It should indeed be ##T## instead of ##t##.
Ok, but differentiating wrt it is wrong either way. What should you have differentiated and wrt what?
Heisenberg7 said:
the object would end up with a higher velocity at the end (after the increase of 𝑑𝑎), right?
Yes.
Heisenberg7 said:
The actual problem was about power, but I reformulated it. Now, for the sake of it, let's say that it was power instead of acceleration. It would also mean a higher velocity at the end (after the increase of 𝑑𝑃), right?
Yes.
 
haruspex said:
Ok, but differentiating wrt it is wrong either way. What should you have differentiated and wrt what?
Hmm, I'm not sure really. Could you elaborate? I simply followed the blueprint of this solution:
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Heisenberg7 said:
Hmm, I'm not sure really. Could you elaborate? I simply followed the blueprint of this solution:
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Hmm.. yes, that is valid. Sorry for the noise.
I think I was thrown by the t/T confusion.
 
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L=\frac{a}{2}T^2
T=\sqrt{\frac{2L}{a}}
dT=-\sqrt{\frac{L}{2}}a^{-\frac{3}{2}}da
Is it OK?
 
anuttarasammyak said:
L=\frac{a}{2}T^2
T=\sqrt{\frac{2L}{a}}
dT=-\sqrt{\frac{L}{2}}a^{-\frac{3}{2}}da
Is it OK?
I think so. But I only need it with respect to ##T##, ##a## and ##da##. ##L## is a surplus (we can get rid of this by just plugging in for ##L##).
 
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