Find the cubic equation that has -1 and 2i as roots

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The discussion revolves around finding a cubic equation that has -1 and 2i as roots. Participants explore the implications of complex roots in polynomials with real coefficients, as well as methods for verifying potential solutions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and polynomial construction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that for a polynomial with real coefficients, the presence of a complex root necessitates the inclusion of its complex conjugate as a root.
  • One participant suggests a polynomial form f(x) = a( x - (-1))(x - (2i))(x - (-2i)), indicating that the constant "a" can be any non-zero value.
  • Another participant proposes that there are infinitely many cubic equations that can have the specified roots, emphasizing the requirement for real coefficients and the inclusion of the complex conjugate -2i.
  • One participant describes a method for testing given expressions by substituting the roots to determine which polynomial is correct, suggesting that only certain expressions yield zero when substituting the roots.
  • A later reply corrects an earlier mistake regarding the signs in the polynomial terms, clarifying that the terms should be of the form x - r rather than x + r.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of including the complex conjugate as a root for polynomials with real coefficients. However, there are multiple competing views on the specific form of the cubic equation and the method for determining the correct expression.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the assumption that the polynomial must have real coefficients and the potential for multiple valid cubic equations based on different choices of the constant "a".

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Answer is given, but no explanation or logic for it.

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pan90 said:
Answer is given, but no explanation or logic for it.
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You need to show what you have tried, even if it is wrong. That will enable us to help you better.

Note that, for a polynomial with real coefficients, if we have a complex root then we also have the complex conjugate as a root as well. So your cubic polynomial is [math]f(x) = a( x - (-1))(x - (2i))(x - (-2i))[/math].

(The "a" is there because the polynomial will have the same roots no matter what constant is multiplying the whole thing. Your answer key is setting a = 1.)

-Dan

Edit: The method worked to give the right answer, but the signs were wrong. The terms for the given roots are of the form x - r, not x + r as I had originally written.
 
Substitute $x=-1$ and $x=2i$ in each of the given expressions. Do you get $0$? If the same expression gives $0$ for both these two values of $x$, then the equation is the one you’re looking for; otherwise, it isn’t.

Right, let’s do it one at a time. Start with $x=-1$. Substitute this in each of the five expressions A–E. You’ll find that B and D give you $0$ whereas A, C and E don’t. Therefore the correct answer is either B or D (you have eliminated A, C and E).

Now substitute $x=2i$ in B and in D. One will give you $0$ while the other won’t. The one that gives you $0$ is the one you’re looking for.
 
First, there exist an infinite number of different cubic equations that have "-1" and "2i" as roots, Notice that all of the proposed solutions have real coefficients. A polynomial equation with real coefficients but a non-real root must also have the complex conjugate of that non-real root as a root. The complex conjugate of "2i" is "-2i" so the polynomial must be (x+ 1)(x- 2i)(x+ 2i)= (x- 1)(x^2+ 4)= x^3- x^2+ 4x- 4.
 

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