Find the escape velocity from 2 point charges

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The discussion focuses on calculating the escape velocity from two point charges, with the user expressing uncertainty about their setup and the variables involved. They initially used two potential energies and one kinetic energy, leading to confusion about the correct application of energy conservation principles. Clarifications were provided regarding the distinction between total energy change and work done by nonconservative forces, emphasizing that the initial and final configurations must be clearly defined. The user recognized mistakes in their calculations, particularly regarding the potential energy values and the implications of charge cancellation. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the importance of accurately determining initial and final states in energy calculations.
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2 charges of -6nC are placed on the y-axis, on .005m above, and one .005m below the origin. A proton is launched from origin to the right along the x-axis. What is the escape velocity (m/s)?
Relevant Equations
PE = kQq / r
KE = mv^2 / 2
Below is the work I've attempted. I used 2 PE b'c there were 2 point charges, and only one KE b'c only the proton is moving. The final equation in case it's hard to see is V(esc) = sqrt (4kQq / mr).

I'm not sure if I did it right. Did I set up this equation right? and I am also not sure what to plug in for "r".
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r-swald said:
I'm not sure if I did it right. Did I set up this equation right? and I am also not sure what to plug in for "r".

You wrote that ##\sum E = W_{\rm nc}##. But, this is not quite right.

##W_{\rm nc}## is the work done by nonconservative forces as the system changes from some initial configuration to some final configuration. ##W_{\rm nc}## equals the change in total energy ##E## of the system as the system goes from the initial to final configuration.

That is, ##\Delta E = W_{\rm nc}## ##\,\,\,\,\,## (The ##\Delta## symbol is essential here.)

You know that ##W_{\rm nc} = 0## for this problem. Thus, ##\Delta E =0##.

This means that ##E_i = E_f## ##\,\,\,## or ##\,\,\,## ##KE_i+PE_i = KE_f + PE_f## ##\,\,\,\,##(conservation of energy)

You are given information about the initial configuration. You will need to decide what to take for the final configuration. Then consider what to write for ##KE_i##, ##PE_i ##, ##KE_f##, and ##PE_f##.

If you are clear on the initial and final configurations, then you should be able to see what to use for ##r## in ##PE_i## and ##PE_f##.
 
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TSny said:
You are given information about the initial configuration. You will need to decide what to take for the final configuration. Then consider what to write for ##KE_i##, ##PE_i ##, ##KE_f##, and ##PE_f##.

If you are clear on the initial and final configurations, then you should be able to see what to use for ##r## in ##PE_i## and ##PE_f##.

Ah, okay I mixed up change in and sum of.
I tried this again and I must be thinking screwy b'c the final KE I figured to be 0 since V final would be approaching 0, and the final PE I figured to be 0 since r final would approach infinity.
I also ended up with 0 initial PE b'c the top and bottom charges would cancel out.
I don't know what I'm doing.
 
r-swald said:
Ah, okay I mixed up change in and sum of.
I tried this again and I must be thinking screwy b'c the final KE I figured to be 0 since V final would be approaching 0, and the final PE I figured to be 0 since r final would approach infinity.
That all sounds good.
I also ended up with 0 initial PE b'c the top and bottom charges would cancel out.
Think about this some more. What's the initial PE for the proton and the charge Q at y = .005 m? What 's the initial PE for the proton and the charge Q at y = -.005 m?
 
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TSny said:
That all sounds good.
Think about this some more. What's the initial PE for the proton and the charge Q at y = .005 m? What 's the initial PE for the proton and the charge Q at y = -.005 m?

Right, negative distance isn't possible, they'd only cancel if the charges were opposite. Thank you!
 
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