Finding compressibility from given internal Energy function

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The discussion revolves around deriving the entropy balance equation from a given internal energy function, specifically focusing on the isothermal and adiabatic compressibility. The internal energy is expressed as a function of temperature and volume, leading to questions about the relationship between these variables and the necessary derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need to derive a function for volume in terms of pressure and temperature to calculate compressibility. There are inquiries about the general equation for changes in internal energy and its derivatives with respect to temperature and volume.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the relationships between internal energy, temperature, and volume. Some participants have provided equations related to changes in internal energy, while others are exploring the implications of these equations for deriving the entropy balance equation. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and approaches without a clear consensus.

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Participants are working within the constraints of deriving specific equations from a given internal energy function, and there are references to general forms of equations without resolving the specific case at hand.

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Hi everyone!

1. Homework Statement


Given is a function for the internal energy: ##U(T,V)=Vu(T)##
Asked is to derive the entropy balance equation. In order to do so i need to find the "isothermal and adiabatic compressibility": $$\kappa_{T}=-\frac{1}{V}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial P}\right)_{T}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


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In order to calculate ##\kappa_{T}## I need to find a function ##V(P,T)## right? But how do I get this function from the given internal energy function?

Thanks for your help!
 
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The isothermal and adiabatic compressibilities are second derivatives for U. So you may try taking derivatives of the internal energy equation using the technique of implicit differentiation.
 
H Psi equal E Psi said:
Hi everyone!

1. Homework Statement


Given is a function for the internal energy: ##U(T,V)=Vu(T)##
Asked is to derive the entropy balance equation. In order to do so i need to find the "isothermal and adiabatic compressibility": $$\kappa_{T}=-\frac{1}{V}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial P}\right)_{T}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
In order to calculate ##\kappa_{T}## I need to find a function ##V(P,T)## right? But how do I get this function from the given internal energy function?

Thanks for your help!
What is the general equation (not for this specific material) for dU in terms of dT and dV?
 
Chestermiller said:
What is the general equation (not for this specific material) for dU in terms of dT and dV?
I guess its $$dU(T,V)=\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T}\right)_{V} dT+\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}\right)_{T} dV$$ Or one can write: $$dU(T,V)=C_{V}dT-PdV$$
right?
 
H Psi equal E Psi said:
I guess its $$dU(T,V)=\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T}\right)_{V} dT+\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}\right)_{T} dV$$ Or one can write: $$dU(T,V)=C_{V}dT-PdV$$
right?
Wrong. $$dU(T,V)=C_{V}dT-\left[P-T\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V\right]dV$$
 
Please state the entropy balance equation that you are supposed to derive?
 
Chestermiller said:
Please state the entropy balance equation that you are supposed to derive?
$$dS=\frac{1}{T}\left[(u+P)dV+V\frac{du}{dT}dT\right]$$
I managed to derive the second term by simply using the definition of ##C_{V}## and taking the first derivative of ##U(T,V)## with respect to ##T## since: $$\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T}\right)_{V}=T \left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_{V}$$ This obviously leads to ##V\frac{du}{dT}##
But I'm still struggling with the first term...
 
This is much simpler than you think. Start out with:$$dS=\frac{dU}{T}+\frac{P}{T}dV$$From your equation for U(V,T), what is dU in terms of dV and dT?
 

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